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4 Cops Shot, Suspect Dead After Calif. Traffic Stop
MSNBC.com ^ | March 21, 2009

Posted on 03/21/2009 7:32:26 PM PDT by Steelfish

4 cops shot, suspect dead after Calif. traffic stop

Police say suspect behind two separate shootings involving officers

OAKLAND, Calif. - Four officers were in critical condition and a suspect dead on Saturday after gunfire at a traffic stop led to a massive manhunt that ended in a shootout, police said.

Two officers were shot in the first incident just after 1 p.m. after they stopped the suspect's vehicle in east Oakland, said Oakland police spokesman Jeff Thomason.

The suspect fled the scene on foot into a nearby neighborhood, police said, leading to an intense manhunt by dozens of Oakland police, California Highway Patrol officers and Alameda County sheriff deputies.

Streets were roped off and an entire area of east Oakland shut to traffic.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; leo; lovellemixon; mixon; oakland; officerdown; officersdown; shooting
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To: Squantos

According to this source the till is now four:

“A fourth police officer shot during a pair of deadly confrontations with an Oakland, Calif., gunman has died, officials told CNN.”

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/127894348


461 posted on 03/22/2009 6:54:41 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: JoeDetweiler

Wow....prayers up for his family and friends.


462 posted on 03/22/2009 6:57:15 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee

This reminds me a bit of the infamous 1986 FBI shootout in Miami where lessons were learned the hard way about how to—and how not to—effectively engage and eliminate well-armed criminals. How did not one but two motorcycle cops get taken out with headshots from a handgun fired by a two-bit thug? Why did two experienced SWAT team members go down? There are well-established protocols and tactics that are supposed to be followed that give almost all the advantages to the SWAT team members—not to the thug. There’s a lot we don’t know at this point, but the circumstantial evidence suggests that there was a failure of tactics or training.


463 posted on 03/22/2009 6:58:43 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: JoeDetweiler

Just read your post. It was essentially an ambush at the apartment, and the bullets found their marks blindly. What horrible luck.


464 posted on 03/22/2009 7:03:50 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Squantos

Not unlikely, I’d say.


465 posted on 03/22/2009 7:04:26 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: behzinlea

27 year old 2 bit thug may have had former military experience and lots of remote range time. Not all gang bangers are spray and prey wannabes. Some can shoot !


466 posted on 03/22/2009 7:05:45 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: CaptSkip

WHat the SWAt cops should have done was pull back, call in a airstrike and then move in to mop up.
It is Oakland afterall, a city that prides itself on being thuggish. Birth place of both the Hells Angels and Black Panthers. An ARCLIGHT misson would only increase property value.


467 posted on 03/22/2009 7:06:34 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Freedom- 07-04-1776-11-06-2008. RIP)
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To: behzinlea; Squantos; Cap'n Crunch

The traffic stop situation is hard to stop if a perp just comes out firing head shots. You can’t treat every routine stop like an armored car robber max felony stop. (Miami).

In the apt house, that’s harder. If the building was evacuated, do you ever send a SWAT team in? If the perp is hiding in a closet with a leveled semi-auto rifle, and just blasts away at the sound of approaching cops talking “clear” etc, what do you do?

Do you just pump in tear gas? If you do, it can cause the entire apt house to ignite, explode and burn. Then the community hangs you. Remember, it was only a “tip” that he might be inside. What if he’s not, and you keep the apt house evacuated for a full day or two, for officer safety. Then the community hangs you for keeping them out of their apts.

Being a cop is hard and dangerous. All danger and risk cannot be eliminated, ever.


468 posted on 03/22/2009 7:08:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Squantos

I guess the lesson is, assume they ALL can shoot. And because they CAN shoot, give them the best-trained, most deadly accurate, and concentrated counterfire from behind cover that can be offered. All of them. Even the greenest gang banger. Don’t attempt to arrest them. Take them out.


469 posted on 03/22/2009 7:11:45 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: behzinlea

Nope .......I shoot to stop the threat. See my tag line.


470 posted on 03/22/2009 7:14:56 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee

I was heartened to know that someone cared enough in that hell hole to tell the cops where this thug had retreated.

As for the closet scenario, there have got to be effective ways to approach and breach closet doors (or any interior door) to determine if they hide a threat without unduly compromising the safety of so many SWAT team members. Maybe the SWAT team members should stay a certain distance from one another to minimize the risk a single burst of gunfire through a door will hit more than one of them. I just don’t know. And I really don’t want to be seen finding fault with the SWAT team members in this instance. It could be that they did everything perfectly and that blind, stupid, bad luck did its deadly dirty work in this instance.


471 posted on 03/22/2009 7:24:01 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: StarCMC

Thanks, Star! You’re a Champion and a Patriot!


472 posted on 03/22/2009 7:39:47 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: He who knoweth not his name; NormsRevenge
From The Oakland Tribune:
The suspect was identified as Oakland resident Lovelle Mixon, 26. He was on parole for assault with a deadly weapon, police said. He had a no-bail warrant for his arrest on charges of violating parole. He had previous convictions in Alameda County for grand theft and possession of marijuana.

Lovelle Mixon, 26, of Oakland was killed in a gunbattle Saturday with Oakland police. (Contributed photo/Oakland Police Department)
473 posted on 03/22/2009 7:50:58 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Prayers for Officers John Hege, Erv Romans, Dan Sakai,and Mark Dunakin, their families and friends. God bless them.


474 posted on 03/22/2009 7:53:35 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: He who knoweth not his name

You are new here so I will take my precious time to say this just once. Nobody here likes self indulgent thread stealers. Give it up, get over yourself and stick to the subject or get gone.


475 posted on 03/22/2009 8:54:57 AM PDT by RDTF ("I'm pretty sure this is a 2 man job once the shooting starts")
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To: behzinlea; Squantos

Portable ballistic shields come to mind. Ankle to head coverage.


476 posted on 03/22/2009 8:59:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Religion Moderator
Thank you Religion Moderator. It has been tough sorting out the news, and useful comments in this thread among all of the useless flaming.


477 posted on 03/22/2009 9:14:06 AM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Know the difference between honoring diversity and honoring perversity? No? You must be a liberal!)
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To: Travis McGee
The loss of this many officers is absolutely tragic. May they RIP...

When I see Ron "anti-cop" Dellums as Mayor, and Jerry "no death penalty" Brown as AG, it brings the situation in that area of the world all the more into focus.

I heard one news report that said, at the initial scene -- at the place of the first murdered officer -- a twenty+ in number crowd began taunting public safety personnel, because of some unrelated incident.

Outrageous, senseless, and angering...

478 posted on 03/22/2009 9:16:11 AM PDT by vox_freedom ("If God be for us, who is against us?" -- Romans 8:31)
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To: Travis McGee

Body bunkers have their purpose......


479 posted on 03/22/2009 9:16:17 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: He who knoweth not his name
Kind of a slow learner, aren't you noobie?
IBTZ
480 posted on 03/22/2009 9:21:09 AM PDT by vox_freedom ("If God be for us, who is against us?" -- Romans 8:31)
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