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ARMY: Black Beret Blues
StrategyPage.com ^ | 4/20/09

Posted on 04/21/2009 10:30:47 AM PDT by llevrok

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To: BubbaBasher

Well, that’s ugly with the digital camo on it.

I wore the one with the prior camo pattern.


21 posted on 04/21/2009 10:56:32 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: llevrok
But American troops associate the beret with armies that tend to lose (especially the French) and consider it no great honor

The British Royal Marines, Parachute Regiment, SAS, German SKS, Russian Spetnatz, Several Scottish Regiments, and the Israeli military might dispute that opinion

22 posted on 04/21/2009 10:59:20 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Competent small-government conservative = close enough for government work)
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To: US Navy Vet
Bush was C in C for 8 years and didn’t even do this. He was so sad.

He would have been cruxified as wasting money on hats while troopers were dying from lack of body armor.
23 posted on 04/21/2009 11:00:49 AM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: llevrok
The way to gain world class respect for the uniform is to kill bad people, fast and effienctly, the moment they step out of line. It worked for 180 years; it will work again every time that it is applied.
24 posted on 04/21/2009 11:01:03 AM PDT by 50sDad (The mainstream media is the only watch dog that decides what it is going to bark at.)
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To: RedMonqey

Weren’t any troops “dying” from from no “body Armor” from Jan 2001-11 Sept 2001.


25 posted on 04/21/2009 11:03:15 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

I chatted with some senior Army NCO about six months after the order came down. He was at some course at the time, where the topic was discussed by a dozen senior Army NCO’s....of which none agreed with the idea or the message delivered.

About two years later...I had one Army Captain tell me that this was rated as one of the five dumbest ideas of the decade within the Army.


26 posted on 04/21/2009 11:03:34 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: ltc8k6

Well sonny. I wore one that was ALL green. 1968. LOL


27 posted on 04/21/2009 11:04:33 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
The berets for all are a Euro-weenie thing. We are American troops.

Get rid of the Euro 9mm Berettas's while you're fixing things. A good American Colt.45 model 1911. (back when Colt was American).

28 posted on 04/21/2009 11:07:28 AM PDT by llevrok (I would rather die, standing up and fighting, than to be on my knees, begging)
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To: ltc8k6
I would prefer the German Afrika Korps design (wish I had a link but I dont) because it has a peak that keeps it in an aggressive and sharp shape that our patrol caps only achieve with the “Ranger Tuck” added.
29 posted on 04/21/2009 11:19:05 AM PDT by onward_xtian_soldier (God Bless America! America Bless God!)
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To: llevrok

One reason the Army/military is so confused about the beret/”cap” issue - is the damned thing isn’t a cap...

Little kids wear caps.
Baseball players wear caps.
Dumb ass “rap stars” still haven’t figured out how to wear caps.

In our day, the military wore COVERS....not caps.
Jeeze what feminine pansies they’ve become.

The referred to “soft cap” is nothing of the sort!
It was a UTILITY COVER..... plain and simple.

There was no confusion in the old Marine Corps...
We had it all, with the proper nomenclature.
There were MANY authorized service/climate/functional/MOS appropriate COVERS. But, not a SINGLE CAP!

I guess next, they will call men’s trousers - pants.
In our day, only women wore pants and panties - men wore trousers and boxer/BVD shorts.

They gone too damned far with the metrosexual Army.


30 posted on 04/21/2009 11:25:08 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Bush was C in C for 8 years and didn’t even do this. He was so sad.

Yeah, I guess he didn't have anything else to do. /s

31 posted on 04/21/2009 11:26:45 AM PDT by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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To: llevrok

I was one of those that though this would never come to pass.

I’ll be glad to see it go.


32 posted on 04/21/2009 11:43:13 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: US Navy Vet

It wasn’t Bush’s job to do it.
As CIC, he was civilian leadership.
Uniform decisions are left to the individual services, as it should be.


33 posted on 04/21/2009 11:44:30 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: onward_xtian_soldier

I can’t recall how many times I took shit for the “Ranger tuck” on my patrol cap. Even blocking it, so it didn’t look like a hand rag was verboten.

I did it anyway.


34 posted on 04/21/2009 11:47:08 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: river rat

All that “confusion’, and the USMC still has to come to The Army to design its uniforms and camo.

Go figure.


35 posted on 04/21/2009 11:48:48 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: llevrok

To make matters worse I think they are made in China.


36 posted on 04/21/2009 11:49:51 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: llevrok

By the time Bush was aware of it and everybody was complaining about the thing it was too late to turn it around. Millions had been contracted for. They had some quality issues I recall and they were buying the bulk of them from China because there wasn’t anybody in the U.S. who could make that many berets.

The other thing is that Bush had some loyalty to Shinseki. Even if it could have been done Shinseki would have had to retire or resign after his boss publicly humiliated him. Bush did hang with some people a long time.


37 posted on 04/21/2009 11:51:21 AM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: ltc8k6
I wore the one with the prior camo pattern.


38 posted on 04/21/2009 11:52:45 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: llevrok

Background: Shinseki was the 3rd ACR adjutant in ‘78 when then Army CoS Bernie Rodgers put the edict out on multi-colored berets, including black berets for armored/cavalry units. Shinseki always had a hard on about his black beret being taken away and acted accordingly when he attained the position as Army CoS.


40 posted on 04/21/2009 11:57:05 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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