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Montana Governor Signs New Gun Law-(DARES Obama To Challenge it!)
Gather ^ | 5-5-09 | George W.

Posted on 05/06/2009 7:24:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf

The state of Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY.

The State of Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana . The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal - confiscation of privately owned firearms.

Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch.

Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obama's face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it.

Important Points - If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the State of Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal firearms laws have no applicability since the federal government only has the power to control commerce across state lines. Montana has the law on their side. Since when did the USA start following their own laws especially the constitution of the USA , the very document that empowers the USA .

Silencers made in Montana and sol in Montana would be fully legal and not registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies as a device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring game. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so as to not disturb the neighbors.

Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel and the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do not really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The semi-auto pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back.

Silencers are maybe nice for snipers picking off enemy soldiers even though they reduce velocity but not very practical for hit men shooting pistols in crowded places. Silencers were useful tools for gun enthusiasts and hunters.

There would be no firearm registration, serial numbers, criminal records check, waiting periods or paperwork required. So in a short period of time there would be millions and millions of unregistered untraceable guns in Montana . Way to go Montana !


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KEYWORDS: banglist; bho44; bhotyranny; donttreadonme; fubo; guns; law; liberty; montana; obama; shallnotbeinfringed; sovereignty; statesrights
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If you want an example of the Mainstream media IGNORING and burying important news that doesn't fit thier pre-set agenda, THIS IS IT. And to top it off, this Governor is a DEMOCRAT.

It's called the MONTANA FIREARMS FREEDOM ACT.

There are grand total of 2, just TWO articles on this in a Google News Search, one of those is a blogs, and the other is a local Montana TV story about Soviergnty bills, and not the gun bill! http://news.google.com/news/more?um=1&ned=us&cf=all&ncl=1346554341

TO THE MODERATOR: An EXTENSIVE Google search for ANYTHING resembling a mainstream article on this shows that none exist, but thier are HUNDREDS of discussions and blog articles about it! THIS SHOULD BE BREAKING NEWS.

The "Powers That Be" are determined to bury this one, and keep it quiet. And I think we ALL know why!

1 posted on 05/06/2009 7:24:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

Texas is working on a very similar bill right now.


2 posted on 05/06/2009 7:28:25 AM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: tcrlaf

Watch the libs and MSM, send some idiot over state lines, into Montana to instigate some (what they consider) newsworthy disgruntle individual attack. Create a Virginia Tech or Columbine in Montana.


3 posted on 05/06/2009 7:28:55 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: tcrlaf

Might have to make Montana a future destination if Obama screws this country up more than he already has (and we all know he will).


4 posted on 05/06/2009 7:29:40 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: tcrlaf

ping


5 posted on 05/06/2009 7:30:36 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Eaker

Only one thing to say about that: Rock on Texas!


6 posted on 05/06/2009 7:31:06 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: Blue Highway

“Might have to make Montana a future destination if Obama screws this country up more than he already has (and we all know he will).”

I’d retire to Montana if it weren’t so darn cold!


7 posted on 05/06/2009 7:35:09 AM PDT by brownsfan (Kool aid comes in two new flavors: Hope and Change.)
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To: tcrlaf; IndianPrincessOK

Haven’t Texas and Oklahoma suceeded as well?


8 posted on 05/06/2009 7:35:27 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: tcrlaf

Like,
May the Force be with you Dude

Seriously, I applaud any attempt to get
information out to the public.
“Our” MSM sure doesn’t try so it’s kinda
up to us little guys to inform.


9 posted on 05/06/2009 7:35:56 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Eaker

Hurrah for Texas.


10 posted on 05/06/2009 7:36:00 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: tcrlaf

This is why America is GREAT.


11 posted on 05/06/2009 7:36:08 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: tcrlaf

...Bravo to the governor and the state legislature...


12 posted on 05/06/2009 7:36:13 AM PDT by gargoyle (...66.7% , A good round number...)
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To: tcrlaf

What firearms are manufactured inside the State of Montana ?


13 posted on 05/06/2009 7:37:05 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: tcrlaf

Not to pee on your parade, but Gonzales v. Raich will likely be the precedent the government uses to kill this idea ....


14 posted on 05/06/2009 7:37:28 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Eaker

And here I am stuck in Florida with a governor that makes Michelle jealous...


15 posted on 05/06/2009 7:37:46 AM PDT by papertyger (Advertising makes journalism an assault weapon.)
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To: tcrlaf

Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel and the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do not really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The semi-auto pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back.


Actually, semi-autos are just fine for suppressors. The breech remains closed and sealed by brass until after the gasses have been expelled through the muzzle. Typical revolvers are another matter.


16 posted on 05/06/2009 7:37:47 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: tcrlaf

If this stands, it will only apply to MT manufactured firearms and for their citizens only. Of course, it may be an incentive for more firms to take up manufacturing in MT. The best hope is that other states will follow.


17 posted on 05/06/2009 7:38:10 AM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

This sounds a little beyond the courtroom dance...


18 posted on 05/06/2009 7:40:16 AM PDT by papertyger (Advertising makes journalism an assault weapon.)
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To: tcrlaf
Wonder how "manufactured" is defined in the law.
If my local gunsmith builds up a nice 1911 from one or several original weapons, has he "manufactured" it?

Or does he need to cast/forge/mill/whatever the frame and stamp his own name on it...

19 posted on 05/06/2009 7:40:26 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: papertyger
This sounds a little beyond the courtroom dance...

???

20 posted on 05/06/2009 7:41:00 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: tcrlaf

A little more detail and a little less hyperbole would make this a little better thread.


21 posted on 05/06/2009 7:42:10 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

“A little more detail and a little less hyperbole would make this a little better thread.”

I wish there was some...
Feel free to do a google search. I even posted the Google news results. All four of them. And two don’t even apply.


22 posted on 05/06/2009 7:43:39 AM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

I mean I think the legislature would have known full well what the feds would use to “invalidate” their ruling. They are implicitly threatening to ignore any court order by passing this law.


23 posted on 05/06/2009 7:43:45 AM PDT by papertyger (Advertising makes journalism an assault weapon.)
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To: boxerblues

Soon, many. There’s a lot of pent-up demand for some items (short barrels, suppressors, unregistered, etc.).


24 posted on 05/06/2009 7:44:23 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: tcrlaf
This sounds all well and fine on the surface, but I wouldn't be too quick to celebrate.

Putting on the tin foil hat for a moment, what if this is a devious plan to force a (corrupt) supreme court to rule on Federal powers, and the Federal power to control firearms?

This could be a devastating blow to gun ownership in this country as well, if this is a scam to establish precedent in the top courts.

25 posted on 05/06/2009 7:44:48 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: tcrlaf

I heard about this earlier on Beck with Judge Napolitano. They mentioned that the Governor would be making a speech at the signing. If anybody finds a transcript it sounds like it would certainly be worth posting.


26 posted on 05/06/2009 7:45:05 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: tcrlaf
The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts.

The feds won't go after the State of Montana on this, they'll go after some individual who tries to deal in firearms without a license. I'd suggest any individual who is contemplating putting all this to a test should first familiarize himself with US vs Stewart and Gonzalez vs Raich.
27 posted on 05/06/2009 7:45:49 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: brownsfan

oh YEAH,

I always said if I won the lottery.... 1000 acres of private land in Montana or Wyoming.


28 posted on 05/06/2009 7:46:35 AM PDT by envisio (Sexual Beer & BBQ Ribs)
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To: brownsfan
I’d retire to Montana if it weren’t so darn cold!

Beautiful state. Besides the cold keeps away the hippies and the grizzly bears eat the tree huggers.
29 posted on 05/06/2009 7:48:15 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Raich was the DEA vs. a terminally ill grandmother. Montana (a full state, not a poor dying individual) should be able to shove the issue back up to SCOTUS, and make it clear the ruling was absurd (being based on the notion that reducing demand in an illegal interstate market somehow fits the Commerce Clause), especially in light of "shall not be infringed" overriding any bent interpretations of the Commerce Clause.
30 posted on 05/06/2009 7:48:26 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: papertyger

I see. Do you know you do know that Gonzales vs. Raich is not a court order, right?

This USSC decision from 2005 specifically states that any item produced is “never more than an instant away from the interstate market” and can thus be regulated by the congress.

This is decided precedent (wrong, but decided) and will not likely be revisited by an Obama court.


31 posted on 05/06/2009 7:49:19 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Dig up the bill and read it, rather than relying on intepretations by the confused.


32 posted on 05/06/2009 7:49:38 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Your tinfoil hat is on too tight.
This law is a Good Thing, even though it invites a big fight which might not be won.


33 posted on 05/06/2009 7:50:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: tcrlaf

I think Bushmaster should move to Montana. Maybe I should move to Montana. You know, raise me up a crop of dental floss.


34 posted on 05/06/2009 7:50:37 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: brownsfan
"I’d retire to Montana if it weren’t so darn cold!"

Montana isn't very cold at all. Unless of course you are one who has lived in the warm southern states all your life- a tender foot.

Montana has the best of both worlds, mild winters, nice mountains, good hunting and nice summers. Buy a nice ranch at the foot of the mountains and you're in paradise, close to both mountains and sand.

35 posted on 05/06/2009 7:51:07 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Eaker
"Texas is working on a very similar bill right now."

Are we? That's good news! Who is drafting the bill?

36 posted on 05/06/2009 7:52:59 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Sender
Raisin' it up,
waxin' it down,
in a little white box that I can
sell uptown.

Note: no interstate commerce was involved with the raising, waxing, boxing, sale or end use of my floss.

37 posted on 05/06/2009 7:54:05 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: tcrlaf

bttt


38 posted on 05/06/2009 7:54:44 AM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: tcrlaf
...but thier are HUNDREDS of discussions and blog articles about it!

Not ONE of which I can access at work - they're blocked either for "social" or "weapons" - so this is a self ping to read up on it at home.

39 posted on 05/06/2009 7:55:44 AM PDT by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: umgud
Of course, it may be an incentive for more firms to take up manufacturing in MT.

Which would mean more jobs for Montana's folks.
40 posted on 05/06/2009 7:56:28 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: ctdonath2
This is the part of Raich that is scary .... "Not only is it impossible to distinguish 'controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate' from 'controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate' but it hardly makes sense to speak in such terms," Antonin Gregory Scalia

at the time, I made the follwing comment:

"As the court explains, tomatoes which are grown at home and possessed for personal use are never more than an instant from the interstate market and this is so whether or not the possession is for nutritional use or lawful use under the laws of a particular state."

I simply substituted tomotoes for marijuana.

I can EASILY see this being used to stike down that law.

Further - it was not the State of California which was sued by the feds - it was an individual. This will be the case again here.

41 posted on 05/06/2009 7:56:40 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: papertyger
And here I am stuck in Florida with a governor that makes Michelle jealous...

I'm born and raised in Miami and we have one hell of a gun friendly state. Witness that we were the first of the states to pass SHALL ISSUE ccw permits and this led the ccw revolution. I know that Alabama and Washington State get into a snit over this saying they had shall issue laws way before Florida, but nonetheless, ours is the legislation that is used as a template for other states currently. Florida led the way in amending Castle Doctrine laws to extend to outside the home, to preclude prosecution by overzealous prosecutors politically motivated and to prevent the estates of dead perps from suing the law abiding in civil court. I admit that Charlie leaves a lot to be desired, but we have a pretty rock solid legislature and it could always be worse.

42 posted on 05/06/2009 7:56:48 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: tcrlaf
{Silencers] were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so as to not disturb the neighbors.

And make no mistake about it, THIS is the reason the gun-grabbers made them illegal and want to keep them illegal -- has nothing to do with crime prevention (effective silencers are so easy to make out of common items available at any hardware store, that anyone who wants to murder somebody quietly with a gun, will have no obstacle to doing so). The object is to make it as hard as possible for people to practice shooting, and few people will do it, and to give anti-gun neighbors an avenue for legally stopping people from practicing shooting on a simple "nuisance" or "disturbing the peace" basis, avoiding any pesky constitutional issues.

43 posted on 05/06/2009 7:57:40 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: tcrlaf

Tennessee has very similar legislation in its current session and just passed resturant concealed carry out of a conferance committee. Ronny Barrett is pushing it.


44 posted on 05/06/2009 7:58:55 AM PDT by nativesoutherner ("When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.")
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To: tcrlaf
I might be movin' to Montana soon
Just to raise me up a crop of Dental Floss Raisin' it up
Waxen it down
In a little white box
I can sell uptown
By myself I wouldn't
Have no boss,
But I'd be raisin' my lonely Dental Floss
Raisin' my lonely Dental Floss
Well I just might grow me some bees
But I'd leave the sweet stuff
For somebody else...
but then, on the other hand
I'd Keep the wax N' melt it down
Pluck some Floss N' swish it aroun'
I'd have me a crop
An' it'd be on top

(that's why I'M movin' to Montana)

Movin' to Montana soon
Gonna be a Dental Floss tycoon
(yes I am)
Movin' to Montana soon
Gonna be a mennil-toss flykune
I'm pluckin' the ol' Dennil Floss
That's growin' on the prairie
Pluckin' the floss!
I plucked all day an' all nite an' all Afternoon...
I'm ridin' a small tiny hoss
(His name is MIGHTY LITTLE)
He's a good hoss
Even though He's a bit dinky to strap a big saddle or
Blanket on anyway
He's a bit dinky to strap a big saddle or
Blanket on anyway
Any way I'm pluckin' the ol' Dennil Floss
Even if you think it is a little silly, folks
I don't care if you think it's silly, folks
I don't care if you think it's silly, folks
I'm gonna find me a horse
Just about this big
An' ride him all along the border line
With a Pair of heavy-duty
Zircon-encrusted tweezers in my hand
Every other wrangler would say
I was mighty grand
By myself I wouldn't
Have no boss
But I'd be raisin' my lonely Dental Floss
Raisin' my lonely Dental Floss
Raisin' my lonely Dental Floss
Well I might Ride along the border
With my tweezers gleamin'
In the moon-lighty night
And then I'd Get a cuppa cawfee
N' give my foot a push...
Just me 'n the pymgy pony
Over the Dennil Floss Bush
N' then I might just Jumb back on
An' ride Like a cowboy
Into the dawn to Montana
Movin' to Montana soon

(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)

Movin' to Montana soon

- Frank Zappa (Over-Nite Sensation - 1973)

45 posted on 05/06/2009 7:59:29 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: tcrlaf

10th amendment.

Let Obama eat $h!t and bark at the moon.

let him do something about it and millions of partriots will fill states that will secede.


46 posted on 05/06/2009 7:59:29 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Beelzebubba

Also helps if the projectile is subsonic.


47 posted on 05/06/2009 8:02:17 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: grobdriver

Feds define manufacture as 80% completion of the receiver.

Many people build their own handguns and rifles from cast or forged receiver blanks that don’t have all the holes drilled and tapped.

They take it over the 80% (I have no idea how the BATFE would figure that out), so they’re considered the manufacturer.

Even importers of receivers, like Springfield Armory, import the unfinished receivers (Brazil) and finish the work in the US.


48 posted on 05/06/2009 8:02:36 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: tcrlaf

bttt


49 posted on 05/06/2009 8:03:15 AM PDT by mtbrandon49
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To: tcrlaf

the fascinating (and unspoken) part of it is....the Governor of Montana is a DEMOCRAT! This showdown will look like the last ten minutes of Enemy of the State....


50 posted on 05/06/2009 8:03:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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