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Alan Keyes among 21 arrested at Notre Dame May 8, 2009 1:29 PM Former Illinois U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes and 20 other protesters were arrested this morning when they refused to leave the Notre Dame campus during a protest of President Obama's upcoming commencement address there, a university spokesman said.
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Well, you know if Keyes had beaten Obama in 04, it could have been him in the WH today and making that commencement speech.
In their efforts to thwart trouble (sarc), instead they have fed what they feared. They have now increased public awareness of the whole mess they have created and added to it a public icon. Sometimes in their stupidity, people create that which they feared, by their own reaction. WOOO-HOOO! Notre Dame scored again, this time, against themselves. They forgot which end their goal was at. Gotta love it!
God be with Dr Keyes and all those who were arrested. Father God, open the eyes of the blind people of this republic to see the glaring truth of Obama and his administration before it is too late. Lord, stop them in their tracks. Have mercy on America! In Jesus Name AMEN!
While Rome burns, Pontius Nero DUh-bama washes his hands....
The picture I see here is hardly inflamatory. The right has been nuanced to a Perry Como response to the Marxist
What is outrageous is Notre Dame inviting the Creep in chief.
“It just turns people off,”
BDS turned people off, but it still won them the election. When people see genuine outrage, they think maybe there’s something to be outraged about.
Plus, taking abortion to the streets is causing a massive culture shift with regards to its acceptability.
The gruesome photos change more minds than any arguments, which is why the pro-death crowd reacts so violently against them.
There's nothing wrong with this tactic per se, as you've said. And it's far better to be doing something, than nothing at all.
There is no contradiction here at all. Alan was simply engaging in civil disobedience. He realizes that laws against trespassing are licit, and he was willing to go to jail for trespassing. But he also understands that Notre Dame is violating a much higher law, the honoring of someone dedicated to the destruction of innocent human life, and he was engaging in a tactic which he thought was suitable in opposition.
Is this an example of the ends justifying the means? No, because Alan's act of trespassing was not intrinsically evil, but simply a violation of a civil (practical) law, somewhat analogous to speeding on the way to the hospital.
That'll leave a mark. Mencken was right on that one.
The lack of support from blacks is ironic, considering the fact that black babies are aborted at a higher rate than white babies.
Excellent, Raster. With your permission, I’m stealin’ that...
In the 1950's the laws on many college campuses made it a crime for black people to register for class. To our shame many conservatives did not take part in the civil rights movement to end this evil. In the 1930's in Germany the law required citizens to inform the police if they knew of a Jew who wasn't in a concentration camp. Would you have gone along with this evil, or are their higher goals than obeying the law?
Would you say that to Jill Stanek?
IMO this is probably the greatest speech of this century (thus far made). It is a video of Alan Keyes speaking to a Tea Party in Pittsburgh last month.
(It’s also posted at my site with an intro at http://www.OurHussein.com )
That's not my argument, if someone (let's take Keyes, he's a good example) breaks the law, he should suffer the legal consequences. Keyes went to jail. They let him out, and now he will trespass on ND property against, and presumably be arrested and go to jail again. At some point he will be in front of a judge.
That's how civil disobedience protests work. Do the crime, do the time.
The earlier post with the reasons, Lefties given a pass, are that they don't do the time.
THUS if Lefties do this kind of stuff, I, and others, complain loudly and long about them. Which is what you originally objected too.
The students should chant for him to produce his birth certificate during the speech!!
I stand corrected about how long Keyes is in jail. I think he is in for the weekend. He is preaching (so they say) in jail.
He is a gifted orator. I’ll bet he is well recieved by even those who disagree with him.
Big events may or may not get big media coverage, which may or may not reflect accurately the moral imperatives related to the event.
But big events are merely an assembly of warm bodies. Hearts and minds are impacted one at a time.
“Cowardice asks the question, ‘Is it safe?’ Expediency asks the question, ‘Is it politic?’ Vanity asks the question, ‘Is it popular?’ But, conscience asks the question, ‘Is it right?’ And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one’s conscience tells one that it is right.” — Martin Luther King Jr.
We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. — Martin Luther King Jr.
Keyes has always been about getting publicity. When told to stay off the grass — stay off the grass.
If this had been a group that doesn’t grandstand, I would give them the benefit of the doubt but Keyes and Terry go out of their way to get face time. They intentionally do things they know will get them in the news and take advantage of situations.
Any Keyes/Terry supporting not seeing that needs a new pair of glasses.
By all means feel free...I don’t know what the original source is but whenever the subject comes up, I’m reminded of that poster.
I fully agree with you on that one, Jenny.
I'm sure you remember this. Do you want to be associated with them?
I’m sorry, but I think that kind of stuff isn’t useful at all. It just turns people off, rather than changing hearts and minds.
I used to think this way too, and tend to waffle a bit, still. I think it’s nice to see the lefties get the same treatment thrown back at them for a change.
It is what worked for code pink and think how screwed up they are.
This type of tactic is taken right from their own playbook and it seems to work pretty well.
We need to do more because our old tactics got us pushed right into a fascist regime.
Why is the baby carriages with blood “non-helpful.” That is showing disgust with Notre Dame’s Administration for inviting an abortion advocate, Obama, to speak at a Catholic college. Catholic doctrine says that doing abortions is breaking God’s law, “Thou shall not kill.” Good for Alan Keyes. He knows we are not meant to live in this world forever but we are meant to live forever with God. Those who cannot or will not obey God’s law will never make it to eternal bliss with Him. Breaking God’s law is not-helpful.
“Leave that sort of thing to the Code Pink harpies.”
If you notice, the modus operandi is the same. For the same reason: The stunt has the tactical utility of keeing the story in the news. Does it change minds? Hmmmmm, doubt it.
Can you imagine if they arrested a pro-choice or pro-homosexual marriage democrat politician?
“I think, though, that the college should be ashamed about trying to restrict a peaceful protest. It is civil disobedience...and I respect the rule of law...but the way things are going, Im wondering how long its going to be before the tea party protests are somehow trespassing.”
You are right.
I recall, back in the days at college, when leftists would construct shantytowns to protest south Africa. They effectively were squatters on campus property - but were never arrested and carted off. There is probably a double-standard at play here.
Arrest Obama; keep Keyes.
Father Pavone, good stuff:
Ty Diago it is good stuff..
“Let Keyes debate TOTUS!”
No teleprompters allowed...LOL!
IN people have moved to the dark side too after holding for Dole.
I enjoy the fact that they’re not letting the cops off the hook so easily by refusing to bond out for $250.
Notre Dame should be ashamed of itself for arresting Keyes and other Christians who were protesting ND's decision to honor a pro-abortion scumbag on their campus.
FUND and FUBO.
"I'm sorry, but I think that kind of stuff isn't useful at all. It just turns people off, rather than changing hearts and minds."
Ok. I have you down for preferring to see the real babies covered in blood.
“>>some of them pushing baby carriages with dolls covered in fake blood,<<
That strikes me as non-helpful, at best.”
No problem. I have you down as preferring to see the real babies covered in their own blood.
“Agreed on the fake blood business. Gandhi/MLK style marches and sit-ins have a certain respectful nobility to them...this kind of theatrics makes the proponents look fringy.”
No problem. I have you down as preferring to see the real babies covered in their own blood. No need for any theatrics, only the truth.
Chuckle, it's obvious from your fighting even to be drawn into the ring that you are fearful of an honest fight about this issue.
Merriam Webster, PUBLIC;" of, relating to, or affecting all the people or the whole area of a nation or state."
You obviously want to hide from how M/W defines public.
If you want to continue this discussion, give me the word we should use instead of 'public'.
I don't expect a reply, I know you'll lose this, the FR readers know that you'll lose this, and even you know, although you will be loath to admit it.
Finally things are becoming so very bad that decent people are starting to wake up. I hope there is still time to bring back decency. It will only come through belief in the ability of our LORD to change that which otherwise would be impossible. Hopefully He will continue to extend His mercy to us who have been undeserving and careless for so long.
I agree with your viewpoints, and am against Notre Dame for arresting Alan Keyes and the other Christians because they took a stand against Obama and other pro-abortion types.
I have you down as an offensive nut, don’t contact me again.
>>some of them pushing baby carriages with dolls covered in fake blood,<<
No problem. I have you down as preferring to see the real babies covered in their own blood.
I’d argue that tactics like the bloody baby dolls and your response actually have the net effect of hardening pro-abortion sentiment and thus the number of abortions actually performed.
>>Why is the baby carriages with blood non-helpful. That is showing disgust with Notre Dames Administration for inviting an abortion advocate, Obama, to speak at a Catholic college. Catholic doctrine says that doing abortions is breaking Gods law, Thou shall not kill. Good for Alan Keyes. He knows we are not meant to live in this world forever but we are meant to live forever with God. Those who cannot or will not obey Gods law will never make it to eternal bliss with Him. Breaking Gods law is not-helpful.<<
I’d ask what the tactic is intended to accomplish? I think the main thing this will accomplish is is to drive another wedge among those who believe abortion is wrong.
When you say Look fringy, to whom are you referring?
Are you talking about Liberal Dem’s...are you talking about the skittish undecideds who jump either way depending on which side of the REPUBLOCRAT military political industrial complex does the best job in bufaloing them in any given election year?
So to whom does Alan Keyes look “fringey”?
I’m not criticising you, just need more information. After-all Satan might have accused Eve of being “fringey” and “not like the Gods” had she steadfastly refused to eat of the forbidden fruit!
Now a bunch of folks running around on Pentecost with a flame on their heads, declaring in different languages the King ship of Jesus Christ, had folks split...some believed God, some called them drunkards or in the modern vernacular...”Fringey folks!”
I was referring to whomever purportedly was pushing around baby carriages with dolls and fake blood...I take the message, but I think it just turns people off rather than invites them to understand and explore the underlying morality of the cause. I think if Keyes and company had joined arms, done a candelight vigil, something along those lines, it would have been more powerful. That’s just my opinion.
Ahh, but do you have in mind a class of folks who would be more turned off than usual?
I ask this in all sincerity because the political situation is such that many reasonable folks are starting to be considered more and more “fringey”, especially in light of how DHS guidelines are depicting conservatives. Even quiet non confrontational types who are just trying to live non-controversially and raise their families are being called and depicted as evil and anti society if they happen to hold views such as limited government and traditional morality. Some on the left are seeking to cause flash-points by which they are trying to justify further enslavement by rules and by taking of our arms and liberties. So what is “fringey” and at what point do you and I become “fringey” and subject to imprisonment by the evil left?
My mistake, I posted that to you in haste, and in error.
Id argue that tactics like the bloody baby dolls and your response actually have the net effect of hardening pro-abortion sentiment and thus the number of abortions actually performed.”
In other words, more real blood on babies.