Posted on 05/14/2009 8:26:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Morality and the Irrationality of an Evolutionary Worldview
by Dr. Georgia Purdom and Dr. Jason Lisle
May 13, 2009
Morality is a very difficult problem for the evolutionary worldview. This is not to say that evolutionists are somehow less moral than biblical creationists—or anyone else. Most evolutionists adhere to a moral code and believe in the concept of right and wrong. But evolutionists have no rational reason for this position. Thus, only creationists have a rational, logical, and consistent reason for morality...
(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...
Neanderthals were not the brutes that popular culture makes them out to be. They were quite intelligent and even had primitive art. Even the institution of marriage may be as old as 200,000 years.
Did not. That's why I ignored you.
15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
The world is a brutal place, for religious and non-religious.. it isn't a world of fluffy clouds and chubby angles, and the Bible has a lot of evidence of that.
You do know that Christians follow the gospel, right? If you want to bash Christians, use the gospel. Not old metaphorical bible stories.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30726_Terror-Linked_Subway_Imam_Promotes_Islamic_Creationism
LOL!! Anyone here can google 1 Samuel 15:2-3 and read it for themselves.
So you don't then believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, every single word, every single verse?
Christians follow the Gospel TODAY!
Don't even ATTEMPT to compare the two as the same. They are polar opposites.
Yep they sure can, and they can learn what it means too.
And your data to support that statement is where?
Revolutionary evolutionists all:
“Sri Lanka’s Tamil Tigers, a Marxist-Leninist Hindu group opposed to religion, committed the largest number of suicide attacks, 76. The Kurdish PKK, which used the tactic 14 times, is headed by a secular Marxist-Leninist, Abdulah Ocalan. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, another Marxist-Leninist group, and the al-Aqsa Brigade, which has ties to the socialist Fatah movement, account for a third of the attacks against Israel. Communist and socialist groups account for 75% of the attacks in Lebanon.”
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jul2005/nf2005076_7420_db056.htm
Here’s how the Tamil Tigers do it...sound familiar?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2242992/posts
==You want to talk about responsibility for bloodshed, torture, death, destruction, pillaging and so forth as it pertains to religious motivations and rationalizations?
As compared to your fellow revolutionary evolutionists in the Soviet Union, Red China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, etc, etc, etc? NO CONTEST!
What does that have to do with anything, that argument is a logical flaw.. as I said before, science, like math, is a-political/a-moral, it is how people apply it that makes the application moral/immoral. Hitler used the principles of Newtonian Physics to guide his rockets to hit London, that doesn’t make Newtonian Physics moral or immoral, nor is believing in Newtonian Physics moral or immoral based on how another applied it.
That's precisely why there is no absolute morality that can be derived from God--killing babies was okay with him in the past when he commanded his followers at the time to do it (1 Samuel 15:2-3), but he apparently changed his mind about it at some point.
Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other “sins” are invented nonsense. -Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love
Language has "devolved" from the days the bible was written.
Just as you think when you read "God created man in his image", you think "Oh, God looks like us". You fail to read that from the time of sin, God gave man clothes of skin- our flesh. So no, God does not look like us.
We agree then more than you realize, it is why I, like many, many others, don’t see a conflict with science and the Bible.. A great man once said: Science teaches us how God created the world, the Bible tells us why.
There are literally thousands of examples encompassing various religions over the last two millenia that can be referred to at any time which render your examples moot.
Whereas those who don't believe in religion cannot be completely pinned to their atrocities DUE TO THE LACK OF RELIGIOUS BELIEFS (you say their lack of religious zealotry is the reason why, but that is nonsense and is an illogical fallacy), the same cannot be said for the religious followers/believers who have slaughtered untold numbers of humans throughout history under the banner of their religion. You know this as a fact yet you will never allow yourself to admit it.
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 20 June 1785
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions43.html
Uh, no. You are completely out of context, and taking God out of His realm and placing him in your limited earthly-fleshy view.
You think earthly flesh is of any consequence to God? It isn't. The first thing one does when becoming a Christian does is become reborn, casting off the flesh. Understand the meaning of that.
God wouldn't "Kill" babies, he would take his creation out of harms way. You just can't understand how he can do that, because you think the flesh is all there is to you. Even your brain is an organ, it isn't the origin of your being, your consciousness if understand what I'm saying.
The entire point of the published article that started this thread was that God is the only basis for "rational, logical, and consistent reasons for morality", and this latest statement of your explicitly concedes that such is not the case. You're tossing reason right out the window as a "limited earthy-fleshy view"
It's great that you have so readily admitted to that, since reason, logic and consistency ultimately have nothing to do with the views held by theists.
LOL...your slippery grasp of history has obviously been greased by atheist propaganda:
Just How Many People Has Religion Killed?
Kirk Durston, National Director, New Scholars Society
A popular urban legend that I’ve often heard is that religion has killed more people than anything else, so the world would be a lot more peaceful place were it not for religion. The top three largest examples are thought to be the Crusades of the Middle Ages, the Spanish Inquisition, and the burning of witches. Scholars estimate that the Crusades of the middle ages cost from 58,000 to 133,000 lives. The most realistic figure for the Spanish Inquisition puts the total killed from AD1480 to AD1808 at up to 31,912. Finally, records indicate that the number of witches killed may be over 30,000. Some argue that records don’t tell everything and suggest that maybe even 100,000 were killed. These three events, totaling over 264,000 killed, are thought to be the largest atrocities perpetrated by one or another form of Christendom. As we shall shortly see, however, they pale into insignificance in comparison to the consequences of atheism.
There are two points to make by way of response. The first point can be made by asking the question, “Are these activities consistent with what Jesus taught?” Most people with even an elementary knowledge of Christ will admit that such killing is inconsistent with His teachings. People often try to justify their hatred, actions, and even killing by appealing to whatever is held in high regard by the population. It follows that if Christianity is or was held in high regard by populations, that certain people with the power to carry out atrocities would attempt to justify them in the name of Christianity. It is a simple-minded person indeed who reasons, “Joe claims he is a Christian—Joe committed an atrocity in the name of Christianity—therefore Christianity promotes atrocities.” The Bible states that the person who says he loves God, but hates his brother, is a liar. There are many people through history that have done horrible things in the name of Christianity, but Jesus’ words, “you will know them by their fruit” tell the real story regarding their love for God and whether they follow the commands of Jesus Christ.
The second point to make is that, yes, people who claim to love God do kill, but nowhere near to the extent that the lack of religion does. According to University of Hawaii political scientist Rudolph J. Rummel,[1] <#_ftn1> the total number killed in all of human history is estimated to be about 284,638,000. Of that number, 151,491,000 were killed during the past 100 years. The single largest killer in all of human history is, by far, atheistic Communism with a total of 110,000,000 … over 1/3 of all people ever killed! If we add to that number just two other regimes where religion of any sort was strongly discouraged, Nazi Germany and Nationalist China, the number rises to 141,160,000. Almost 50% of all the killings in human history were committed in the past 100 years by regimes that either actively promoted atheism or strongly discouraged religion. We have not considered the over one billion abortions, where Christianity seems to be particularly unwelcome. When the murders of history are tallied up, it is very clear that atheism is the most dangerous philosophy ever embraced by humanity. The most effective restraint on mankind’s inherently evil tendencies is faith in God through Jesus Christ, a faith that actually follows the teachings and commands of Jesus Christ as a daily way of life.
http://www.theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/21PbAr/Pl/DthByAthsm.htm
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