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Live Thread: Obama vs. Cheney
Thursday, May 21, 2009 | Kristinn

Posted on 05/21/2009 7:11:47 AM PDT by kristinn

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To: kabar

He sure did.............Now the world knows how Obama suppressed it.


801 posted on 05/21/2009 9:04:37 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: goodnesswins

Obama didn’t even give Biden a plug in his speech!! :-)


802 posted on 05/21/2009 9:04:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: halo66

Exactly!


803 posted on 05/21/2009 9:04:53 AM PDT by fml
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To: woodyinscc

Yeah...Beckel doth protest too much.

Truth hurts.


804 posted on 05/21/2009 9:05:16 AM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: kempster

-—like a frickin’ waterfall of cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


805 posted on 05/21/2009 9:05:34 AM PDT by NordP (BHO's new book, "To Serve Man/United States" --- NO NO NO....RUN....it's a COOKBOOK!)
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To: Sparko

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And Then There Was Only Guantánamo . . . [Victor Davis Hanson]

With the Democratic no-go on Guantánamo (I’ll leave it to the better informed to ascertain the degree that the Democratic Congress came to the rescue of an embarrassed Obama administration and cut off funding for the shutdown to allow him an out with the now familiar excuse of “they did it — not me, who keeps promises”), I think we now have come to the end to the five-year left-wing attack theme of Bush “shredding the Constitution.”

Except for the introduction of euphemisms and a few new ballyhooed but largely meaningless protocols, there is no longer a Bush-did-it argument. The Patriot Act, wiretaps, e-mail intercepts, military tribunals, Predator drone attacks, Iraq, Afghanistan — and now Guantánamo — are officially no longer part of the demonic Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld nexus, but apparently collective legitimate anti-terrorism measures designed to thwart killers, and by agreement, after years of observance, of great utility in keeping us safe the last eight years.

Add in the Holder statements about Guantánamo in the 2002 interview, the Pelosi/Rockefeller/et al. waterboarding briefings, the need to consider torture in past statements by senators such as Schumer, and I think historians will now look back at these “dark years” as largely a collective, bipartisan effort.

All of which leaves us a final musing: If so, what was the hysteria of 2001-2008 about other than simple politics?

I doubt we get any more movies about ongoing renditions, redactions, any more Checkpoint-like novels, any more waterboarding skits and reenactments, any more late-night comedians doing their Bush tapped, intercepted, tortured, renditioned, tribunaled poor suspect X routines.

And I guess as well that the good old days of supposedly flushed Korans in Guantánamo and Omar the poor liberationist renditioned to Cairo are over. We are now in the age of a sober and judicious President Obama who circumspectly, if reluctantly and in anguish at the high cost, does what is necessary to keep us safe.

And we won’t see a brave young liberal senator, Obama-like, barnstorming the Iowa precincts blasting a presidency for trampling our values with the shame of Guantánamo, wiretaps, intercepts, renditions, military tribunals, Predators, Iraq, etc. That motif just dissolved — or rather, it never really existed.

In short, all the fury, the vicious slander, the self-righteous outbursts, the impassioned speeches from the floor, the “I accuse” op-eds by the usual moralistic pundits — all that turned out to be solely about politics, nothing more.


806 posted on 05/21/2009 9:05:47 AM PDT by roses of sharon (NOTRE DAMIAN: ABORTION, YES WE CAN!)
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To: Sacajaweau
Obama didn’t even give Biden a plug in his speech!! :-)

Biden already has plenty of plugs. He didn't need another one.

807 posted on 05/21/2009 9:05:47 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Texas4ever
WHAT!! CHENEY IS RIPPING THE PRESIDENT....AFTER TOTUS SPEECH

And Rush follows both.

808 posted on 05/21/2009 9:05:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: wpa_mikeb

Cheney for President!

Obama deserves a longer term, like 15 to 20 in prison.


809 posted on 05/21/2009 9:05:59 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: Sacajaweau

But I bet he made what “plugs” he has on his head stand up!


810 posted on 05/21/2009 9:06:15 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: roses of sharon; All

Text of Cheney’s AEI Speech

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/05/text_of_cheneys_aei_speech.asp

Let me know if he deviated, since CSPAN radio saw fit to screw it up.


811 posted on 05/21/2009 9:06:23 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Appeal to Heaven.)
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To: All

I LOVE this man!! Do they even make men of this stuff anymore?? Bravery, courage...WoooooHooo!


812 posted on 05/21/2009 9:06:38 AM PDT by riri
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To: kristinn

That was one KICK ASS speech by Dick Cheney! WOO HOO!


813 posted on 05/21/2009 9:06:44 AM PDT by nutmeg (DemocRATs: The party of tax cheats and other assorted crooks)
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To: maggief
“Beckel is about to EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

I’d pay to see that.

No kidding. I hope when that happens it's televised nationally and I get to record it.

814 posted on 05/21/2009 9:06:58 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (I can support a person I don't always agree with. What I can never support is a person I don't trust)
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To: Sparko
The operative word is he is a “man”, an adult.

Obama is a child in a man’s suit.


Yes, unfortunately that's true.
815 posted on 05/21/2009 9:07:20 AM PDT by khnyny ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: kempster
http://moelane.com/2009/05/20/reviewing-the-april-fundraising-numbers/

RNC out-raised DNC again.

816 posted on 05/21/2009 9:07:23 AM PDT by roses of sharon (NOTRE DAMIAN: ABORTION, YES WE CAN!)
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To: All

See No Evil

On February 2, a Department of Defense spokesman told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that a Pentagon report documenting the recidivism of some former Guantanamo detainees would be released imminently. The report was coming so soon that we were told to check defenselink.mil for it that afternoon.

Nothing.

Today, the New York Times, which has obtained a copy of the report, says that two administration officials claim it was squashed for political reasons.

Two administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said the report was being held up by Defense Department employees fearful of upsetting the White House, at a time when even Congressional Democrats have begun to show misgivings over Mr. Obama’s plan to close Guantánamo. (emphasis added)

What other reason could there be for the report’s delay? The Times cites a DOD spokesman as saying that it is still “under review.” It is now May 20. We were told that the report was coming soon on February 2. Other news organizations, including Newsweek and the Times, expected the report to be released in late January.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/05/see_no_evil.asp


817 posted on 05/21/2009 9:07:30 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Appeal to Heaven.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Now I have to listen to this creep Beckel criticize Cheney for being political.

First Cheney wipes up the floor with zero, now Rush can wipe up the floor with Beckel.

818 posted on 05/21/2009 9:07:30 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: woodyinscc
Did you notice Beckel reading off of his talking points

beckel is a broken down alcoholic has-been....that can't remember his own talking points......

819 posted on 05/21/2009 9:07:31 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: kristinn

Cheny ROCKS.....in the TRUTH!!!!!!


820 posted on 05/21/2009 9:07:38 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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