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1 posted on 05/21/2009 8:02:51 AM PDT by SJackson
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Both health care and retirement need to be disconnected from employment. Other than that, the only thing the government needs to do is make sure those considered uninsurable are covered by something. Forcing this upon business is one of the reasons jobs are fleeing the country as it is.


2 posted on 05/21/2009 8:12:23 AM PDT by DonaldC
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“Estimates suggest that an employer mandate could cost 1.6 million jobs over the first five years.”

I know mine will be one of them. My boss has already said that this would be the straw that broke the camel’s back - and she’ll simply have to close the business.


3 posted on 05/21/2009 8:12:26 AM PDT by conservativegirl
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To: SJackson

A government-run plan,Danger,Warning,Alarm,hide your money.


4 posted on 05/21/2009 8:17:29 AM PDT by Vaduz
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this plan requires the ability to get blood from stones. How is an unemployed individual or street person supposed to comply with the “mandate” to have insurance? They would all go on the government plan for free is my guess. And how can this be enforced? We cannot even enforce existing state laws requiring drivers to carry auto insurance.


5 posted on 05/21/2009 8:17:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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The insurance industry is already controlled by state government down to the gnat’s ass; all it will take is one more small step by the fed to make it go over the cliff.


6 posted on 05/21/2009 8:17:51 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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These liberal fools think that anything they do never has consequences. Something they NEVER consider. Their lust and madness for power and control prevents any form of logic or sanity in what they do.


7 posted on 05/21/2009 8:18:06 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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The secret here is the “public option”. The government as no requirement for financial reserves as insurers do. The government is, ironically, not really regulated, in fact they set the regulations on everyone else.

By using Medicare or even Medicaid (about .30 on the dollar) reimbursement for services, and no oversight, the government will very quickly take over private sector insurance by under-pricing it, and throwing onerous regulations on “competition” in the private sector.

This back door to single payor “secret” is being opening lauded and hailed by socialist politicos to their supporters right now.

We must stop “the public option”. The country will simply fail under the weight of a single payor health plan for everyone. We already can’t handle the debt O has racked up already.


8 posted on 05/21/2009 8:18:20 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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(a family of four earning as much as $83,000 per year would receive subsidized care under one proposal)

My family of four is above that level, which means not only no subsidies for the likes of me and I get to subsidize other people's health care. Not much different from the way it already is except on a much grander scale and fewer chances of me living a longer life. I'll be 64 next month, guess I might as well hang it up.

9 posted on 05/21/2009 8:19:10 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (39 shopping days to Graybeard58's b/day. Selah.)
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All this to give 4 million people welfare?


11 posted on 05/21/2009 8:25:53 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Will the Federal Employees have to be under this plan also? How about Congress? Methinks our “Masters In Charge” somehow will be exempt.


12 posted on 05/21/2009 8:35:46 AM PDT by radioone
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Isn’t it wonderful how Communists America is making progress. /s/


13 posted on 05/21/2009 8:36:17 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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>> The government would undertake comparative-effectiveness and cost-effectiveness research

Yeah... they’re the renowned experts on those topics, aren’t they.

I fear this is gonna end really, really badly.


14 posted on 05/21/2009 8:40:08 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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The cost effectiveness provisions are simply rationing by another name. Seniors should be up in arms as they will be the ones denied hip replacements, pacemakers and even cancer treatment because their life expectancy is too short to make such procedures “cost effective”.


17 posted on 05/21/2009 2:11:26 PM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


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18 posted on 05/22/2009 4:32:38 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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