[xcamel]

Seeing Mo-Ham-Head set the enlightenment back 750 years on the first try, why not?

[Texas Fossil]

You do not understand. Their definition of “peace” is when the rest of the world is “subjected”.

I will not be a “good little Dhemmi”!

[AxelPaulsenJr]

And our silly little zero of a leader just continues to play us into their hands. I feel for people that have children.

[vpintheak]

One would be hard pressed to find an evil much worse than islam. Oh there is evil here and there to be sure. But no where is there such a systematic evil as islam.

[JasonC]

There are many problems with Islam - its intolerance, the aimless stupidity of its literalism, its refusal to learn from experience or history, its indifference to justice and openness to casual cruelty, its patent falsehood for example. But its belief that war is important and makes for strength, while pacifism is a delusion and a weakness, are not among them.

Consult our actual experience instead of the raging hypocracy of an imaginary western commitment to peace and you will see that those who are committed pacifists within our culture are precisely the useless, unrealistic, and delusional. That men willing to face the reality of conflict and to regard martial virture as virtue not evil, are the better men among us. Yes there are various deep seated cultural traditions in the west that pretend otherwise, but they are pretending and it is a load of crap.

Why would I expect a delusional pacifism from entire civilizations that I can readily see is a foolish weakness when it occurs in my own leaders?

When Bush said the war on terror was a war for peace, he was simply engaged in Orwellian newspeak and confessing this raging hypocracy. But in fact that hypocracy and the moral weakness and unreality it automatically causes, is the main failing the west suffers from in this whole struggle. Churchill knew better; the only thing he truly respected about his Islamic enemies in the Sudan was their bravery and martial virtue, which he knew he and his own country needed to match, not condemn.

Why is this hard to see or say? What moralizing self delusional bee in the bonnet prevents us from calling spades spades, and saying this is not a war for peace but for victory?

[Cacique]

But with the coming of the modern era — generally seen as beginning in the 18th century — Christendom outpaced the Muslim world by almost every measure.

Wrong, Islam began the descent into backwardness as soon as it was founded. It's conquest of the world by force of arms did not need any advancement in either technology or science, merely the willingness and propensity to use violence. The Caliphates used Islam both as an ideology for advancement and an instrument of control. The same was true in the west via the Roman church. The west broke that hold during the Renaissance, it was possible because Christianity had a central focus of power. Islam had no such focus with competing Caliphates who prevented any reform within Islam or infestation of secularism. It wasn't merely that Christianity outpaced Islam, but also that Islam being a doctrine and ideology without an authoritative center is incapable of reform or renaissance.

[PapaBear3625]

An interesting article by Fjordman dovetails with your article: Why Christians Accepted Greek Natural Philosophy, But Muslims Did Not

[SunkenCiv]

Islam Faces a New Era
by Munawar A. Anees
1999, Civilization Magazine
(from the Wayback Machine)

Today's Muslim world is also being betrayed by a similar intellectual passivity regarding the Internet, the dynamo of the next Renaissance. While the French fight an uphill battle to prevent English from laying siege to the French-speaking world via the Net, none of the major Muslim languages plays a major role in this huge knowledge machine. Equally conspicuous is the absence of Muslim countries from one of history's greatest scientific endeavors, the Human Genome Project. Islam is not intrinsically opposed to ideals of justice, equality, and human dignity. It is folly to assume that technological sophistication or economic prosperity need weaken, or run counter to, religious belief. Meanwhile, at some distance from the ivory tower lies the grim reality of much of the Muslim world: poverty; mass illiteracy; want of basic hygiene and primary health facilities; lack of fundamental liberties of religion and speech; little protection from state persecution.

Mahathir urges Muslims to rethink on terrorism
by Tim Colebatch

Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad called for a campaign by "responsible Muslims" to recast the war against terrorism as outlawing "armed attacks against civilians", no matter who carries them out... Condemning Palestinian suicide bombers and the Israeli Army equally as guilty of terrorism, Dr Mahathir set out to define a middle ground on which Muslim countries could return to the global mainstream after the "unmitigated disaster" of September 11. Attacks against civilians must be regarded as acts of terror... Groups or governments that support attacks on civilians must be regarded as terrorists, irrespective of the justification of the operations carried out... Those supporting them, including governments, should also be condemned, he said.

Cocooned in Lies
by Ali Sina
July 23, 2002

Modernist Muslims prefer to live in denial than come to terms with the fact that Quran is responsible for all these atrocities perpetrated by Muslims. They call for peace, tolerance and freedom of speech. They condemn the extremists and the fundamentalists for misinterpreting Quran. Yet they are the ones who are misinterpreting it, and are not willing to let go the book that promotes war, hatred and suffocation of thoughts... Islam is not a religion that promotes peace. It orders its believers to kill all those who do not accept its dogma, without mercy. It instructs its followers to subdue the Christians and the Jews and make them pay Jizyah (penalty tax)... If what I write offends you, it is not because there is anything offensive in my writings. It is because we Muslims have been cocooned in lies for so long that now the light of truth is blinding us.... [O]ur peace and security, our prosperity and happiness, our unity and integration with the rest of our brothers and sisters in humanity cannot be achieved as long as we are cocooned in the lies of Islam and shackled in hate towards those who do not agree with us.

"The Arabs are after our blood"
by Christopher Farah
Jan. 23, 2004

In a recent interview with the liberal Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Morris not only justified the 1948 expulsion of the Palestinians from Israel, but also said that then-Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion failed in his task by not expelling all Arabs from the nascent Jewish state... Morris went on to say that renewed expulsions of the Palestinians -- those in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and even those who are Israeli citizens -- could be "entirely reasonable" in circumstances that are "liable to be realized in five or 10 years." ...The Arab and Muslim world, in his eyes, consists of barbarians who don't appreciate the value of human life, barbarians knocking on the gates of the civilized West... Like many other Israeli liberals, Morris' optimism about peace, and whether the Palestinians really wanted it, was shaken by the outbreak of the second intifada in 2000 -- after the Oslo peace accords and the Camp David talks had convinced many that a resolution was at hand. With the collapse of the Camp David talks amid mutual acrimony and the escalation of violence, in particular the rise of suicide bombings within Israel, many Israeli peaceniks became disillusioned, feeling that they had found no true "partner for peace" in the Palestinians... "You go to have coffee with your equally liberal friends, you talk peace and human rights and Palestinian independence, and if you are lucky the place blows up only after you leave," says Tom Segev, an Israeli author who like Morris was dubbed a "new historian" for writing books that challenged the traditional Israeli version of history.

Thanks neverdem.

[SunkenCiv]

Islam Confronts Its Demons
By Max Rodenbeck
April 29, 2004
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17054

The Milaad - A Caution Against Innovation
Shaikh ‘Abdul ‘Aziz bin ‘Abdullaah bin Baaz
http://www.qss.org/articles/milad.html

Eye of the Storm: What if it’s not Israel they loathe?
Jerusalem Post | 12-2-04 | Amir Taheri
Posted on 12/02/2004 5:29:00 AM PST by SJackson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1292625/posts