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Grandmother Tasered at Traffic Stop[TX]
Fox 7 ^ | 01 June 2009 | Keri Bellacosa

Posted on 06/02/2009 7:20:45 AM PDT by BGHater

A 72-year-old woman is pulled over for speeding, then tasered and sent to jail. Kathryn Winkfein says she drives to Austin about twice a month to do her shopping. But on a Monday afternoon, a Travis County Constable deputy pulled her over, on her way back to Granite Schoals.

"Due to being a construction zone, and workers being present," Pct. 3 Constable Richard McCain said, "it was 45, she was doing 60."

Winkfein admits she was speeding in the dangerous strip of Highway 71 and Bee Creek.

"He explained to her," Constable McCain said, "sign the ticket stub, it's not an admission of guilt. It's a promise to appear in court. She didn't want to. She said take me to jail."

That's when the officer says Winkfein exited her vehicle and didn't cooperate.

"She refused to get off the side of the road, he said to her, Ma'am, you're under arrest. She used profanity," the Constable said. He adds she got violent, and the officer used a taser on her.

Winkfein showed FOX 7 her taser scars.

"Here and here. Two places, side by side. It's unreal. It's like an electric shock," she said.

A shock Winkfein believes she didn't deserve.

"I wasn't argumentative, I was not combative. This is a lie. All of this is a lie, pulled away from him I did not," she said, reading the arrest affidavit.

The great-grandmother was taken to the Travis County Jail, where she was booked for resisting arrest and detention. She was released shortly after. Now, Winkfein has hired attorneys to protect her rights.

When asked if it was appropriate for the arresting officer to have used a taser, Constable McCain answered yes.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: police; taser; texas
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To: ontap

Yeah that 72 year old woman put the officer in fear of his life with her bad language.

He’s lucky she didn’t die.


61 posted on 06/02/2009 8:05:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: piroque

No argument there, I’ve had a share of discourteous (read: @$$hole) cops in my day. They seem to have been balanced out by the guys that are professional, but I have no doubt that, were I a black guy, they would have been far less cordial.


62 posted on 06/02/2009 8:07:22 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
I remember a recent story from Dallas IIRC that seven out of nine dash cams on cruisers at a particular crime scene 'were not operable'.

Pretty weird, that stuff.

63 posted on 06/02/2009 8:08:06 AM PDT by ex91B10 (The only response now is mass resistance.)
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To: domenad

Why is it not legal?

If someone cusses me out am I allowed to make a citizens arrest and detain them? If I had to physically restrain them I’m certain that a DA would charge me with false imprisonment.

She wasn’t charged with assault remember. So why is cussing out a cop illegal? What is the charge? Disrespect?


64 posted on 06/02/2009 8:10:08 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: driftdiver

I’m not sure about that. What about business at a doughnut shop?


65 posted on 06/02/2009 8:10:43 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Big_Harry
Mean old lady or not, no male officer anywhere should consider tasing an unarmed old woman. It seems that we have crossed a line between LEOs using common sense and using excessive force when dealing with civilians.

BTTT.

Seriously, the officer MAY have been verbally abused by her and, if so, would have been acting within his authority to tell her to cooperate or face arrest. If she continued, she could have properly been arrested. But using a taser? Come on, what was this guy worried about, her body slamming him? Puhleeze - this seems like a case of excessive use of force.

Of course, I do reserve final judgment until the dash cam film shows up, but this seems pretty obvious.

66 posted on 06/02/2009 8:11:07 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: savedbygrace

Ya, got it. Can’t watch videos on company time.


67 posted on 06/02/2009 8:13:28 AM PDT by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: stentorian conservative

Effective communication - the key to success


68 posted on 06/02/2009 8:13:52 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: American_Centurion

Refusing to sign the ticket is definitely illegal. The ticket says you agree to show up in court, which you cannot legally refuse to do. If you do, they can arrest you to make sure you do show up in court. For the most part though, you are right, you can tell an officer to shove it and there’s not too much he could get you for that might stick, although “Causing a Disturbance” is often a favorite.


69 posted on 06/02/2009 8:14:06 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad
I’m thinking more along the lines of “I’m not signing this %#@(%$) thing you (@%)@%. You can go @%@^ yourself and take that badge and @(%$@ it up your @$$.” That kind of thing is not legal.

So then arrest her. Taser not needed - what was she, 6' 6" and 275, just retired from the Cowboys front line? I want to see the dash cam, but this seems to be an obvious case of excessive use of force.

70 posted on 06/02/2009 8:14:16 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: txhurl; lormand; basil
txhurl, we used to have a name for one of the Travis county deputies that patrol 1431 - hemorrhoid. Just like a Yankee, they come down and never go back up.
71 posted on 06/02/2009 8:14:17 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO has #1 spot in his sights.)
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To: pappyone

I understand. Your line was still funny, though.


72 posted on 06/02/2009 8:14:35 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: D-fendr

You misspelled country.


73 posted on 06/02/2009 8:16:09 AM PDT by magslinger (The first dog has papers but the President doesn't. How interesting!-cubsfanconswoman)
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To: the invisib1e hand

If a “cop” needs to use a taser to handle a 71 year old lady, he’s in the wrong business.

But then, MOST of them are!!!


74 posted on 06/02/2009 8:16:34 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: BGHater

I would’ve let her go. So what if she cursed me - she already got the ticket.


75 posted on 06/02/2009 8:17:12 AM PDT by chase19
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To: trisham
...Maybe next time he should club her legs and drag her to the side of the road. Such a dangerous speeding grandma poses many risks to the general public and by all means she should understand to respect the officer. BTW, she is under no duty to sign the ticket. The officer created an even more dangerous problem, inflaming the situation, by mandating she do same. Little doubt the ol’ biddy was acting like a jerk but once again our “finest” over react and create a problem that they themselves could have avoided. But omg, an officer must teach this little blue hair a lesson!!!! God Help us, Blue Hairs are going to kill us all....taser, beat down, taser, beat downs...all in order and for the public good!!!!!
76 posted on 06/02/2009 8:18:24 AM PDT by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: tioga

Because man handling a combative elderly woman is far more likely to injure her than a taser. My mean arse granny dislocated shoulders and eventually broke her hip getting into tussles. Not to mention trying to grip her arm would simply result in tearing her very thin, delicate skin.

Wish we’d had a taser (I’m not even half kidding), she use to chase the great grandkids with a butter knife and rap their heads or knuckles if they weren’t fast enough to get away. One time she pelted the snot out of us with apples.

She also jumped on the back of a nurses aide and tried to strangle him with a stocking. Beat the crap out of her room mate with a plastic water carafe.

She’d seem perfectly normal until she didn’t get her way and then boom... mayhem and destruction. And it was always everyone else’s fault and she was a perfect model of propriety and everyone else was lying and defaming her.

She remained physically agile and verbally facile much longer than her reasoning skills and ability to judge and control her own behavior did.


77 posted on 06/02/2009 8:18:45 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: BGHater
"It's unreal. It's like an electric shock," she said.

Brilliant!

78 posted on 06/02/2009 8:19:50 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: driftdiver
He’s lucky she didn’t die.

Funny...I would say she is lucky she didn't die! What would we be talking about if she had run over one of the construction workers or if she had stepped in front of a car while she was having her tantrum.

79 posted on 06/02/2009 8:20:21 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Ancesthntr

The philosophy is you are more likely to hurt a person who is resisting you by grappling with them than tasing them. It’s one of the selling points of taser - safer for bost the cop and the suspect, supposedly. Look for more of this in the future.


80 posted on 06/02/2009 8:21:01 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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