NRA Appeals Seventh Circuit Ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court

NRA-ILA ^ | 06/04/09 | unk

[Mojave]

Did you miss the links I provided

I must have missed the emanations of penumbras you've tried to tread into them in your quest to undo the intent of the Framers.

[Mojave]

You haven’t been correct yet.

Barron explicitly upheld original intent and there's nothing racist about it. But it's a signature move of leftists such as yourself to falsely label things racist when you can't make a reasoned argument.

Why do you leftists love centralized government and judicial legislation so much?

[Dead Corpse]

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals .... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." -- Albert Gallatin, New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789

Yeah... (sarc)That's pretty ambiguous isn't it.(/sarc)

Intent of the Founders was to protect a core set of our Rights an inalienable. Something you are working over-time to justify arguments against...

Don't go away mad Roscoe. Just go away.

[Dead Corpse]

Boo-hoo... Poor Roscoe still can't get it right. Stupid little racist scumbag still arguing for gun control.

Crawl back into your hole worm.

[Mojave]

Intent of the Founders was to protect a core set of our Rights an inalienable.

Which is contrary to your dream of centralized government and ad hoc rule from the bench. Federalism is premised of the dual sovereignty of the states and the federal government, with each have their own Constitutions.

But you leftists hate original intent.

[Mojave]

Stupid little racist

Leftist always falsely charge racism to try to disguise the impotence of their positions.

But out of curiosity, what is it that you leftists are claiming is racist about the Barron decision?

[crickets]

[Dead Corpse]

Which is contrary to your dream of centralized government and ad hoc rule from the bench.

Haha... You do realize you are talking to one of FR's longest surviving "Self government"/Anarchists don't you?

Also, it is you using COURT rulings to justify State gun control laws. You haven't produced one Founding quote to uphold your absurdity.

Nor can you...

[Dead Corpse]

I'm left handed, but I'm not a "Leftist".

I leave that up to trolls like you trying to use activist court decisions to prevent people from exercising their Rights.

[Mojave]

You do realize you are talking to one of FR's longest surviving "Self government"/Anarchists

Anarchists and other leftists hate lawful and Constitutional government.

Thomas Jefferson warned of your ilk long ago:

"Let this be the distinctive mark of an American that in cases of commotion, he enlists himself under no man's banner, inquires for no man's name, but repairs to the standard of the laws. Do this, and you need never fear anarchy or tyranny. Your government will be perpetual." --Thomas Jefferson

"Our falling into anarchy would decide forever the destinies of mankind, and seal the political heresy that man is incapable of self-government." --Thomas Jefferson

"The voluntary support of laws, formed by persons of their own choice, distinguishes peculiarly the minds capable of self-government. The contrary spirit is anarchy, which of necessity produces despotism." --Thomas Jefferson

Thanks for so openly outing yourself and exposing your hatred of our lawful systems of government.

[Mojave]

"To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws." ---John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States

[Dead Corpse]

Their definition of "anarchy" was the Democratic chaos of the French revolution.

TJ would heartily approve of people being self reliant and independent.

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson. Letter to William S. Smith 13 Nov 1787 (Jefferson, On Democracy p. 20, 1939; Padover, editor)

"False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with ease and impunity, and which, if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty-so dear to men, so dear to the enlightened legislator-and subject innocent persons to all the vexations that the quality alone ought to suffer? Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an unarmed man. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree." - Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On Crimes and Punishment", 1764

"Whenever, therefore, the profession of arms becomes a distinct order in the state . . . the end of the social compact is defeated . . . . No free government was ever founded, or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and the soldier in those destined for the defence of the state . . . . Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen." - Richard Henry Lee, Senator, First Congress

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." - Tench Coxe in "Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution." Under the pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1.

Poor you...

[Dead Corpse]

Keep reading...

"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." - John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787-88

Poor, stupid, pathetic, gun-grabbing, liberal, moron you...

[Mojave]

Their definition of "anarchy" was the Democratic chaos of the French revolution.

Sorry, you can't lie facts into existence.

AN'ARCHY, n. [Gr. rule.]

Want of government; a state of society, when there is no law or supreme power, or when the laws are not efficient, and individuals do what they please with impunity; political confusion.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary

Busted again.

[Mojave]

“Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense.” - John Adams

That's a fake quote. You poor pathetic liar. Busted yet again.

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

[Dead Corpse]

Go back a little further. The French Revolution was the Anarchy that the Founders feared. That it wasn't real "anarchy", but a rule by the Mob (Democracy), this didn't keep them from using the term although they rightly feared a pure Democracy for this very reason.

Political "Anarchy" is the following:

an⋅ar⋅chy

  /ˈænərki/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [an-er-kee] Show IPA

Use Anarchy in a Sentence

–noun

1.	a state of society without government or law.

2.	political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.

3.	a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.

4.	confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.

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Origin:
1530–40; (< MF anarchie or ML anarchia) < Gk, anarchía lawlessness, lit., lack of a leader, equiv. to ánarch(os) leaderless (an- an- ¹ + arch(ós) leader + -os adj. suffix) + -ia -y ³

Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.

[Mojave]

The French Revolution was the Anarchy that the Founders feared.

No source and incompatible with Thomas Jefferson's quotes. Like I noted before, you can't lie your facts into existence.

[Dead Corpse]

Hhmmm... I notice it isn't the quote you used either. But then, we already knew you were a liar. I just needed to update my "favorite quotes" document.

Thanks for that BTW...

To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws. ---John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)

This quote actually doesn't say what you are trying to make it say. "EXCEPT IN PRIVATE SELF DEFENSE". Which is exactly what we are talking about here. We aren't talking about armed gangs or private armies used in criminal enterprises as John alludes to.

Interesting that you approve of Adam's after he said something like this:
that the people can live and increase under almost any kind of government, or without any government at all.

What an anarchist... ;-)

[Dead Corpse]

So you think the Founders, who wrote the Constitution and BoR in the late 1700's used an 1838 dictionary to do so?

Pathetic.

[Dead Corpse]

So you think the Founders, who wrote the Constitution and BoR in the late 1700's used an 1828 dictionary to do so?

*typo correction*

[Mojave]

I notice it isn't the quote you used either.

Your fake quote? Of course not. You lied, you got caught.

Nothing new there.

This quote actually doesn't say what you are trying to make it say.

Look at ya dance. My quote was accurate, your's was a notorious invention.