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Russian ruble to go palladium
Pravda ^ | 05.06.2009

Posted on 06/05/2009 1:28:11 PM PDT by pobeda1945

Boris Gryzlov, the speaker of the Russian Parliament, the State Duma, said that the participants of the Economic Forum in St. Petersburg would discuss a possibility of making ruble coins from precious metals. “We could offer the world the Russian ruble made of palladium. It would be a very strong currency. One may recollect the golden ruble, which Russia had during the tsarist times. It was a freely convertible currency and was circulating very well,” Gryzlov told reporters Thursday.

The President of the Association of Russian Banks, Garegin Tosunyan said that the coins made of precious and semi-precious metals would obviously be in demand on the market. “It has little to do with convertibility, but it would be quite normal as a measure against inflation and devaluation. Why not?” he said.

State Duma deputy Anatoly Aksakov believes that such a measure would not be effective.

“Such coins will become a numismatic rarity, a must-have for private collectors. Golden ten-ruble coins used to play a positive role in domestic and international settlements indeed, although it was the period of hyperinflation. The Russian economy should be modernized to make the ruble attractive.

Palladium is a rare and lustrous silvery-white metal that was discovered in 1803 by William Hyde Wollaston, who named it after the asteroid Pallas, which in turn, was named after the epithet of the Greek goddess Athena, acquired by her when she slew Pallas.

Palladium, along with platinum, rhodium, ruthenium, iridium and osmium form a group of elements referred to as the platinum group metals (PGMs). Platinum group metals share similar chemical properties, but palladium has the lowest melting point and is the least dense of these precious metals. The cost of one gram of palladium makes up about $8.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: economy; ruble; russia
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1 posted on 06/05/2009 1:28:11 PM PDT by pobeda1945
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To: pobeda1945

so easy to counterfeit!


2 posted on 06/05/2009 1:29:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand

Meh. I imagine it’d be slightly more difficult than counterfeiting a dollar bill.


3 posted on 06/05/2009 1:32:49 PM PDT by benjibrowder (I keep praying for hope and change, but I open my eyes and Obama is still President.)
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To: benjibrowder

Think man! They can counterfeit it themselves. Oy.


4 posted on 06/05/2009 1:35:05 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: pobeda1945
Hmmm ... an alternate way to monetize currency, and also circumvent high gold and silver prices.

Problem is Palladium can be as volatile as any other rare metal:


5 posted on 06/05/2009 1:37:18 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: the invisib1e hand
so easy to counterfeit!

They are to be numismatic coins so go ahead and counterfeit away.

6 posted on 06/05/2009 1:39:01 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: pobeda1945

Russia cares more about its own currency than the TOTUS does it’s currency.


7 posted on 06/05/2009 1:42:19 PM PDT by omega4179 (America is a Christian Nation)
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To: pobeda1945

Why don’t they use polonium instead? :) Alexander Litvinenko would, were he alive, say it is a good metal to use...

/chuckle


8 posted on 06/05/2009 1:42:24 PM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Back when a dollar was worth something, somebody counterfeited a 50¢ piece: I have one (a half-dollar), and it has broken into several pieces over the last half-century.

Hmmm. I'm wondering if it's worth several bucks now?

9 posted on 06/05/2009 1:45:29 PM PDT by Does so (Rename the GOP to "Stop-The-Obama-Party"....(or, "STOP" for short)...)
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To: pobeda1945

Meanwhile, the Organization of American States is considering minting its currency in Latinum.


10 posted on 06/05/2009 1:46:16 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The University of Notre Dame's motto: "Kill our unborn children? YES WE CAN!")
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Why don’t they use polonium instead? :)

[tih ponders, breaks into enthusiastic laughter]. That's funny!

11 posted on 06/05/2009 1:48:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: BP2
Problem is Palladium can be as volatile as any other rare metal

How do you KNOW its palladium? Just like gold coins, do you need a test kit?

12 posted on 06/05/2009 1:57:26 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: MrPiper

Worse than that. You need a couple of azine dyes and a means of heating the suspect coin to high temps. MAJOR headache.


13 posted on 06/05/2009 2:15:36 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: BP2
Problem is Palladium can be as volatile as any other rare metal...

Or is it the dollar that is volatile?

14 posted on 06/05/2009 2:15:55 PM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: BP2
Problem is Palladium can be as volatile as any other rare metal:

Palladium is primarily an industrial metal. If monetary use became significant, it would tend to have a stabilizing influence on the price (it would also tend to increase the price).

Gold is used industrially, for jewelry, and as a monetary metal. Its monetary use is most important. It does not fluctuate as much as many other precious metals.

Actually there is a place for precious metals as a hedge against the potential inflation problems that can be caused by fiat currency. Many people are buying gold bullion to hedge against the possibility of the Fed monetizing a substantial portion of US debt.

If palladium and several other precious metals became important monetary metals, it would provide some protection against inflation, all over the world. Gold is held in vaults in many countries, for this reason, but there simply isn't enough gold to account for a significant portion of the world's wealth. If we had many more monetary metals, this would become more practical.

Obviously, Russia stands to gain from doing this. They can increase demand for the metal that they produce, and sell it for more than their production costs.

15 posted on 06/05/2009 2:32:10 PM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: pobeda1945

Hmm. Maybe they know something and are trying to get in on the ground floor of cold fusion.


16 posted on 06/05/2009 2:36:59 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Does so
During the depression no one had money. Manufacturers of equipment for mining couldn't sell to the silver mines in Mexico and both were going broke.

Then someone had an idea. Counterfeit silver dollars began pouring north across the border by the millions. Equipment and supplies were purchased and the dollars put in circulation. The counterfeits were near perfect and each had slightly more silver than the official dollars. No harm and a lot of good was being done so the government let it go.

You can often tell the counterfeits because they wore faster due to the high silver content.

17 posted on 06/05/2009 2:49:07 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: pobeda1945
since the paper the US$ is made of is worthless other than what it represents and can be and is churned out at will, i don't see how using a precious as currency wouldn't get very expensive from mine to mint very quickly with a constantly depleting supply.

if it was only domestic and stayed in the country, fine, but it would be impossible to contain and hence leave as fast as it's minted.

or am i missing something?

18 posted on 06/05/2009 3:25:13 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: MrPiper

Actually coins are exceedingly hard to fake, and definitive tests are trivial. Thats what makes gold so good as money to begin with.


19 posted on 06/06/2009 8:23:47 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Counterfeit morgans?? I cant see that, unless the somehow got the dies somehow, which isn’t a stretch though. Have never heard that, but makes sense, silver prices collapsed in the thirties, so much. $5 in silver max, per purchase. Hm. So Mexican Morgans would be a nice arb.


20 posted on 06/07/2009 2:30:36 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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