Posted on 06/07/2009 11:29:06 AM PDT by September
After reading numerous ‘Statements on the Death of George Tiller’ from high profile pro-life leaders which said ‘we must strongly condemn such senseless acts of violence’, ‘killing is never the answer’, and ‘anyone who is truly pro-life will be saddened by Dr. Tiller’s death’ I had to ask myself one question.
If a doctor went mad and began a murderous rampage killing infants in a hospital maternity ward and a good citizen stopped him with deadly force would people condemn that concerned citizen as a murderer and call his actions a senseless act of violence? That would be unthinkable. He would be extolled as brave American hero who saved babies from a deranged mass murderer.
However after the shooting of Dr. Tiller I’ve learned most people, even those who are pro-life, do not speak well of individuals who stop abortion doctors with deadly force, even though these doctors are serial child killers.
Why do these two scenarios evoke such different responses from people if children are being killed by a doctor in both cases?
The best I understand it is the children abortionists kill are the "undesirables" in our society, just like the Jews were in Hitler’s Germany. Human beings who are unwanted, dehumanized, and stripped of civil rights. Second, people do not speak well of someone who uses deadly force to stop an abortionist because it is legal for a doctor to kill these children, just like it was legal to kill Jews.
Although it was legal to kill Jews in Hitler's Germany it was not right, and the Nazis were murderers even though their laws vindicated them. Importantly, the doctors in the death camps were murderers not merely because a Tribunal said so, those doctors were murders because they committed widespread inhumane atrocities, barbaric crimes against humanity, and systematic state-sponsored extermination of millions of people.
Today abortion doctors engage in the state-sponsored extermination of millions of human beings, widespread inhumane atrocities, and barbaric crimes against humanity. In the name of civility and in an effort to save children from mass murder at the hands of an abortion doctor I do not condemn Scott Roeder for stopping a serial child killer with deadly force, but extol him as a brave American hero.
Let us pray abortion will also be criminalized as the Holocaust is.
There have always been those willing to change the law by actually breaking the law.
Those people should be tried, by the law.
However, that very trial, in this case, should be used as another weapon to try and change the law.
please study a group called:
“Sons of Liberty”
You need a history lesson!
I think you might have missed the point of my post.
Since you missed it, I’ll explain it.
Evil people always make excuses for their actions.
Some of what Tiller did could certainly be excused or even approved by reasonable people (like performing abortions on late-term babies who had developed without brains, thereby making it so that they never had a chance for life).
But much of what he did, in my opinion at least, could not be excused by ANY reasonable, thinking person. Apparently around 95% of his abortions were of otherwise healthy, viable “fetuses,” and apparently (if I have understood correctly) several hundred a year of these were so late-term as to be able to live outside of the womb.
Tiller charged around $7,000 an abortion, and made probably a couple million dollars a year off of sucking babies out of their mothers’ wombs. I do not consider him to have been “noble.” I consider him to have been essentially a mass-murderer for hire. I’ve no doubt he came up with “perfectly good” reasons to justify his actions to himself and others. A lot of people even believe his reasons. I don’t.
I don’t particularly have a comment on Roeder’s actions in killing Dr. Tiller. Obviously, what he did was highly illegal. Whether or not it was justified, in a world where the law actively condones what Tiller did for a living, I’ll leave it to others to debate. I guess my point is, I don’t consider Tiller, in the final analysis, to have been anything other than human scum, so I won’t be shedding any tears or attending any memorial services to mourn the passing of an evil man who helped out at church every Sunday.
>> Why do these two scenarios evoke such different responses from people if children are being killed by a doctor in both cases?
Because killing an unborn child, fetus, is legal in the general case of abortion - that’s why. The legality provides false moral justification while suppressing outrage and scorn that might otherwise influence the decision to abort, not factoring law enforcement.
Regrettably, people do not agree on the value of life in the womb, and the law has been shaped to reflect this to the detriment of the human newbie. Yes, it’s legal to kill human newbies - that is, a fetus, an unborn child.
All humans should be afforded the protection of the law, especially when it’s inconvenient.
The point is there's no way to draw the line if one keeps pushing one's own idea of truth into unlivable directions. Too much "doctrine" will kill you. It is not for us to judge who is worthy of execution. It is for us to witness unto God's law — which is eternal Justice. And as for the rest of it, to love God with one's whole heart and soul and mind and strength, and our neighbor as ourselves. He will take care of the rest.
We're Talking about divine law, and that is what I was responding to concerning BettyBoop's post. In that sense, you're the one confusing the issue at hand regarding my statement. Now, if you have nothing intelligent to add to that, then please, bother someone else with your nonsense...
Placemarker
Dr. Jack Wheeler feels pretty much the same. He wrote a column called ‘Tiller the Killer.’
If abortion is murder, which I believe it is, then both the abortionist and the woman are guilty. Period.
You’re the one who invoked divine law and later asked if tiller was an innocent life. Well, I’m asking you...is the woman innocent in this.
Your vindictive and judgmental attitude is NOT shared by ANY of the mainstream prolife groups.
The National Right to Life Committee, for one, has always said that it was not their goal to put abortive women in jail.
It does not do our cause any good to advocate such a thing.
Besides, some of our BEST leaders happen to be: POST ABORTIVE WOMEN!!!
I share your view.
Gang Bangers shoot each other all the time.
I am often happy to hear that one scum bag shot another scum bag.
Of course, the scum bags should be prosecuted, when caught.
However, it makes no difference to me.
Cops call gang wars: “self cleaning ovens”
Amen right back at ya!
Will the death of Tiller save lives? I don’t know.
I do know this - Tiller will never kill again, and most definately, right now, he is pro-life.
Tiller will also, never again, use his blood money to corrupt our legal system.
Hardly. But in this particular instance, the "private sin" is made actual and publicly explicit only with the help of Dr. Tiller or someone like him. He is the facilitator of the sin, the aider and abetter thereof. So long as the "private sin" remains unrealized, the unborn child is safe. Dr. Tiller was the "efficient cause," the facilitator of the sin's becoming manifest, which of course destroys the pre-born child almost every time. And he clearly embraced his role as efficient cause with a certain obscene gusto — Abortion evidently was so precious to him that he declared himself willing to go to Hell for it.
Question: Do you think Tiller was an "innocent life?"
Agreed.
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