Posted on 06/07/2009 2:56:42 PM PDT by lewisglad
News of Dr. George Tiller's death was only hours old last week when bloggers began asking the question: What kind of church accepts a doctor who performs abortions into its membership?
"I wonder what kind, if any, preaching against sin this church did since Tiller felt welcomed there," opined Blue Collar Todd, who declares on his blog that "liberalism, or sometimes called progressivism, is a false religion that stands in total antithesis to biblical Christianity."
Todd has already made up his mind, and so have others who called or e-mailed me this week to criticize a column I wrote describing the desperate circumstances that brought people to Wichita to obtain late-term abortions.
But I'll take a swing at the pitch anyway.
What kind of church would embrace George Tiller? A church that believes the creator endowed human beings with both conscience and intelligence, to enable us to wrestle with the complicated questions. A church that recognizes that one's relationship with that creator can't be dictated by a central authority, or proscribed by a narrow list of rules.
Tiller's church, Reformation Lutheran in Wichita, Kan., is one that trusts its members with the freedom to decide on matters of conscience. It holds that a choice made for good reasons and in good faith does not separate a human being from God.
Some call this "relativism," and blame it for a decline in morals and corruption of society.
I call it freedom. And, as with the right of a woman to decide on what terms to bring a child into the world, we should be vigilant against anyone or anything that would take it away.
(Excerpt) Read more at voices.kansascity.com ...
Excuse my spelling by the way, idiotic, hypocritical post like yours bring out the worst.
Absolutely not. The Apostle Paul states the people should examine their conscience before taking Holy Communion, but sinners are welcome in church, where they can hear the saving Word of God.
I suppose it would help clarify the issue if the contextual definition of repentant and the corollary unrepentant were explained here.
If a person goes to a church and engages another member of the church with a positive message for a sin, rather than saying the sin is wrong he is not repentant in the context of the church social structure.
This is important to understand that repentance is not just between God and individual in church social context.
Right. I don’t think it’s worse. You don’t think it’s worse. But mrmeangenes appears to think it’s worse.
I’m still waiting for a straight answer. I haven’t yet gotten any answer, except from you trumandogz.
If mrmeangenes can’t shed more light on his/her posts, I’ll have to take them at face value, which means mrmeangenes thinks the murder of one abortionist is worse than the murders of 60,000 babies.
If I had posted something that made me appear to believe such a thing, I would welcome the opportunity to correct it. But then, I don’t believe that, so I wouldn’t want anyone to think I do. If mrmeangenes does believe what he/she posted, there is no need for any correction.
"It holds that a choice made for good reasons and in good faith does not separate a human being from God."No doubt Adolf Hitler and Idi Amin would feel comfortable there.
The number that everyone seemed to agree on (including Tiller) was 60 THOUSAND dead babies.
Thanks Wagglebee. Les4Life filled me in on that number.
As it stands, mrmeangenes still hasn’t denied the implication in his/her earlier post, suggesting that one abortionist is worth more than 60,000 babies. He/she has continued to post since I asked, so I can only conclude he/she has made a conscious choice to stand by that opinion.
I am so glad that I was raised Lutheran many years ago. This man should not have been barred from any church, but I disrespect anyone who did not find another Lutheran Church down the road the minute he showed up. Whatever became of Shunning?
There - fixed it.
What kind of church accepts a doctor who performs abortions into its membership?
A greedy church looking for rich doctors who donate big in the basket.
Where’s the barf alert? Just askin’. ;-/
+1
This is the false understanding of freedom that is so prevalent today. It stems from the confusion of civil liberty and true, personal liberty.
In a political sense, we are free to promote errors or evils. That doesn't mean that promoting errors or evils is good, but that for the overall good of society, we tolerate the promotion of errors or evils.
On a personal level, the "freedom" to do evil is simply license. A truly free man doesn't succumb to temptations but lives a life of virtue. True freedom is the unhindered ability to do good.
When freedom does not have a purpose, when it does not wish to know anything about the rule of law engraved in the hearts of men and women, when it does not listen to the voice of conscience, it turns against humanity and society.Pope John Paul II
http://thephoenix.com/Boston/News/84424-blessing-of-abortion/
Well, there's definitely something about reproving and exhorting sinners. There doesn't seem to be much of that going on in Tiller's church.
"Hey George, how about not chopping up the little babies today, OK?"
Post-Reformation detritus aka as “Christian Churches”!
One that likes his money.
Any church could get a BTK killer but not all churches would accept an abortionist. We know that is true because the local LCMS excommunicated Tiller.
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