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Atheism, for Good Reason, Fears Questions (Temple of Darwin atheists at war with theistic evos?)
Discovery Institute ^ | June 19, 2009 | Dr. Michael Egnor

Posted on 06/20/2009 6:18:21 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Atheism, for Good Reason, Fears Questions

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That theists and open-minded agnostics and atheists on the pro-Darwinist side of this debate are finally engaging the same fundamentalist atheist dogma that intelligent design proponents have engaged for several decades is a good sign. Fundamentalist atheists are of course fighting back ferociously, because they understand, as perhaps the accomodationists don’t, the profound implications of an understanding of the natural world that is not causally closed.

Teleology is obvious in nature. Atheists and materialists intrinsically deny the reality of teleology-- Aristotelian final causation-- in nature, yet nothing in the natural world can be understood without reference to teleology. Science is saturated with reference to purpose and goals of natural things. Atheists deny teleology, because acceptance of teleology in nature raises devastating questions about their atheist faith.

Fundamentalist atheists-- secular priests-- fight ferociously to extinguish challenges to their faith, because they understand that to raise the question of teleology in nature is to answer it. Atheism, for good reason, fears questions.

(Excerpt) Read more at evolutionnews.org ...


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Also see Dr. Egnor's excellent article in Forbes, entitled A Neurosurgeon, Not A Darwinist: Why I don't believe in atheism's creation myth
1 posted on 06/20/2009 6:18:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; valkyry1; DaveLoneRanger; ...
All the this just goes to show what Dr. Henry Morris has been warning against all along: Namely,'The road of compromise, however attractive it seems, is a one-way street, ending in a precipice and then the awful void of "rational religion," or atheism. Our advice is to stay on the straight and narrow road of the pure Word of God.
2 posted on 06/20/2009 6:19:29 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; valkyry1; DaveLoneRanger; ...
All the this just goes to show what Dr. Henry Morris has been warning against all along: Namely,'The road of compromise, however attractive it seems, is a one-way street, ending in a precipice and then the awful void of "rational religion," or atheism. Our advice is to stay on the straight and narrow road of the pure Word of God.'
3 posted on 06/20/2009 6:19:53 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: allmendream; Buck W.

Gee, I wonder which camp Allmendream and Buck W. side with in this growing religious war between the Temple of Darwin atheists and their (former?) theistic brethren?


4 posted on 06/20/2009 6:24:53 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Missing Link discovered...


5 posted on 06/20/2009 6:26:27 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

bookmark for later


6 posted on 06/20/2009 6:26:56 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GodGunsGuts

As I’ve long said: Atheists are always on the attack because they have no defenses.


7 posted on 06/20/2009 6:39:28 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: GodGunsGuts; allmendream

OK, I’m prepared to be entertained. So you find an article about a schism among “Temple of Darwin” adherents in one of your creation rationalization rags. Why on earth would I be moved to comment in any way other than to question the veracity and motives of the highly qualified authors and to criticize the mission of the source? The sad thing is that you and your cult bretheren actually take this and other similar crackpot sources seriously.


8 posted on 06/20/2009 6:44:53 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

Are you such a sloven lapdog that you can’t even side with the Evo-theists over the Evo-atheists? Why am I not surprised!


9 posted on 06/20/2009 6:46:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I commend the author for making the distinction between run of the mill atheists and activist atheists. I was a nonbeliever for most of my adult life, and never once fit the atheist stereotype.


10 posted on 06/20/2009 6:55:29 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

Does that mean you have finally crossed over from the dark side into God’s wonderful light? :o)


11 posted on 06/20/2009 6:57:07 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Liberty1970

Not to mention the fact that the militant atheists are all about force because they know their “argument” cannot stand on its own two feet.


12 posted on 06/20/2009 7:01:03 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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The money quote from this article is where the author acknowledges, “We are in a state of ‘primitive stupidity.’”


13 posted on 06/20/2009 7:02:31 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: GodGunsGuts

Are you such a brainwashed, faith-deprived cultist that you can’t ascertain my position from my original post? There is no such choice because there is no such schism. Your creation rationalization rag is toying with you. They obviously need to increase their circulation, and they doing so by publishing an article that they know will give you a raging YEC hard on.


14 posted on 06/20/2009 7:16:28 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Liberty1970
Atheists are always on the attack because they have no defenses.

This, of course, ignores the simple fact that most evolutionist are not Atheists. You know this. Why do you need to keep trying this tired and silly tactic? It makes you look silly

So, let's rephrase your question:

Evolutionists are always on the attack because they have no defenses.

You also know that this is not true. You know that it is far from true. You know that most evolutionists don't give a damn about what you creationists are up to. Sometimes, however, you are like those little yapping puppies that run around trying to bite peoples ankles. Sometimes people get tired of the ankle bitters and give them a little kick.

One little kick back after hours of ankle biting makes you yell, "attack." That little kick is then turned into "always on the attack."

Pitiful.

15 posted on 06/20/2009 7:28:39 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Buck W.

That’s rich, a Temple of Darwin cultist who claims to be a Christian, calling an actual Christian a cultist for believing in God’s creation account in Genesis.

PS A simple yes would have sufficed...LOL!


16 posted on 06/20/2009 7:32:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I think any “war” between the views is entirely in the heads of those fighting it.


17 posted on 06/20/2009 7:35:17 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: GodGunsGuts

Tell me, self-professed but unverified Christian, are Catholics and Episcopalians Christians?


18 posted on 06/20/2009 7:43:53 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You’re awfully giddy. Have you been drinking, or is it just the euphoria caused by your raging YEC hard on?


19 posted on 06/20/2009 7:45:39 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
fundamentalist atheist
Rabbi David Wolpe's fire and brimstone atheism seems synonymous with that denomination.
Atheism that seeks truth invites dialogue; fire and brimstone atheism does not.

20 posted on 06/20/2009 7:46:39 PM PDT by Milhous (Confusion to our enemies.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 06/20/2009 8:08:16 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jeff Gordon

Seldom has a response so fully validated the original point.


22 posted on 06/20/2009 8:31:02 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970
Seldom has a response so fully validated the original point.

Nods and smiles.

23 posted on 06/20/2009 8:38:01 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Buck W.

Like all Christian denominations, some members are saved and some are not. Of course, the more liberal the denomination, the greater the proportion of unsaved vs. saved.

I suspect you belong to a very liberal denomination that you find too conservative for your radical materialist sympathies, and that your Church attendance is infrequent at best because your pastor or priest does not spend enough time debunking the Bible to satisfy your rabid commitment to the Temple of Darwin cult.


24 posted on 06/20/2009 8:43:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Milhous

THanks for the link. Rabbi Wolpe makes some excellent points!


25 posted on 06/20/2009 8:46:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You didn’t answer my question: are Catholics and Episcopalians Chistians? Yes or no (to each)?


26 posted on 06/20/2009 8:59:59 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: jessduntno

“So I got my period today....”


27 posted on 06/20/2009 9:07:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: jessduntno

No, I think you confused the reason men go gay. Or blind. Or become monks. Or remote survivalists.


28 posted on 06/20/2009 9:09:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Jeff Gordon; GodGunsGuts; metmom
You know that most evolutionists don't give a damn about what you creationists are up to.

What a hoot...one glance at DC blows this nonsense to kingdom come. :0

Yup...liberals truly have no shame!

29 posted on 06/20/2009 9:09:51 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Buck W.
..euphoria caused by your raging YEC hard on?

Why the inordinate interest in someone else's genitalia? Don't you have some of your own to occupy yourself with?

30 posted on 06/20/2009 9:17:29 PM PDT by Wycowboy
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To: GodGunsGuts
When we listen closely to the chanting in The Temple of Darwinism we hear the vulgar insults followed by:

“I not only profess to be a Christian, I am in fact a Christian. I need no lectures from the fascist wing of the faith, represented by you, on how to read and interpret the book. You and your ilk do a great disservice to Christianity, as your actions and positions are more in line with maintaining a social pecking order in your megachurch than they are with the true practice of Christianity.

Your weak understanding of the New Covenant, while a thrilling conversation enabler at your post-service coffee klatches, is a mockery of the truth of Christianity. To paraphrase Pogo, you, yourself, are the enemy you seek.”

Buck W.

31 posted on 06/20/2009 9:19:17 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Buck W.

I already answered your question. Simply belonging to this or that denomination does not make you a Christian. You must be Born Again. Are there genuine Christians in the Catholic and Episcopalian denominations? Yes.

Although once someone becomes a genuine Christian in the Episcopal church, they generally leave the denomination in search of a Church that affirms the innerancy of scripture, and as such does not ordain women, or push the homosexual agenda, or any number of other leftist/unbiblical causes.


32 posted on 06/20/2009 9:21:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: tpanther

Sorry. I do not engage with ad hominem attackers like you.


33 posted on 06/20/2009 9:23:46 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Buck W.

PS Was I right about the following in my reply #24? For convenience sake, here it is again:

“I suspect you belong to a very liberal denomination that you find too conservative for your radical materialist sympathies, and that your Church attendance is infrequent at best because your pastor or priest does not spend enough time debunking the Bible to satisfy your rabid commitment to the Temple of Darwin cult.”


34 posted on 06/20/2009 9:24:15 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I see. GGG represents the cult of “ME! ME! ME!” One is not a Christian unless GGG and his band of holy cavity inspectors say that they are. You’re a fraud and your faith is a fraud. You are no Christian, and provide but entertainment here with your cretinous posts and your predictably vacuous dialog with your sloping forehead bretheren herein.


35 posted on 06/20/2009 9:28:02 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: tpanther; metmom; Jeff Gordon

Isn’t it nice to know that the Evos care enough about us to go out of their way to tell us that they don’t care about us...LOL!


36 posted on 06/20/2009 9:33:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change

LOL! You know, if I didn’t know any better, I’d think you were him! If anybody had actually heard of Buck W., I’d say you should take this show on the road!!!!


37 posted on 06/20/2009 9:35:49 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change

Thanks for the ping, Forrest.


38 posted on 06/20/2009 9:39:42 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

LOL...the anti-Bible thumper, thumper has spoken!


39 posted on 06/20/2009 9:40:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s a rather ineffective response.


40 posted on 06/20/2009 9:42:30 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Huh?


41 posted on 06/20/2009 9:43:27 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Oh, you mean that really was a direct quote from Buck W!?!?


42 posted on 06/20/2009 9:49:10 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’ll send my old specs since if the quotation marks don’t show up well. Course I may need to refill the pixel cartridge in my monitor or something.

Yeah, from that other thread about radio-something or other.


43 posted on 06/20/2009 9:53:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Buck W.
==That’s a rather ineffective response.

All responses are inneffective on brainless Temple of Darwin fanatics. Are one of those brains yours, or are you waiting to fill yours up with more darwiniac garbage before you make the ulimate sacrifice to the Bearded Buddha of Naturalism?


44 posted on 06/20/2009 9:54:30 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change

LOL...I thought you were paraphrasing. I guess you’re not as talented as I thought d:op


45 posted on 06/20/2009 9:57:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I keep it on the inside. I don't want to be like some of the posters that burn their entire candle in one post.

How anyone can make vulgar and off-color insults and in the breath propound what Christians they are is beyond my understanding. The more so since they claim to know the Bible and yet fail to appreciate Jesus'’ words about what comes out of a person's mouth “defiles” them.

But you're right, I'm just not talented that way.

46 posted on 06/20/2009 10:12:50 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Isn’t it nice to know that the Evos care enough about us to go out of their way to tell us that they don’t care about us...LOL!

Who said we don't care about you? You are, after all, one of God's highly evolved creatures. Even if you choose to use your highly evolved brain to be an ankle biter, God still loves you.

47 posted on 06/20/2009 11:35:58 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Good morning.

I have a question.

Is the universe the same age as Earth?


48 posted on 06/21/2009 8:09:03 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Jeff Gordon; GodGunsGuts
Sorry. I do not engage with ad hominem attackers like you.

LOLROTF!!!!

This from someone who begins with:

Sometimes, however, you are like those little yapping puppies that run around trying to bite peoples ankles. Sometimes people get tired of the ankle bitters and give them a little kick.

One little kick back after hours of ankle biting makes you yell, "attack." That little kick is then turned into "always on the attack."

Pitiful.

49 posted on 06/21/2009 10:14:58 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: GodGunsGuts

More despicable slander from the Discovery Institute.


50 posted on 06/21/2009 10:23:43 AM PDT by Salman
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