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Atheism, for Good Reason, Fears Questions (Temple of Darwin atheists at war with theistic evos?)
Discovery Institute ^ | June 19, 2009 | Dr. Michael Egnor

Posted on 06/20/2009 6:18:21 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Atheism, for Good Reason, Fears Questions

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That theists and open-minded agnostics and atheists on the pro-Darwinist side of this debate are finally engaging the same fundamentalist atheist dogma that intelligent design proponents have engaged for several decades is a good sign. Fundamentalist atheists are of course fighting back ferociously, because they understand, as perhaps the accomodationists don’t, the profound implications of an understanding of the natural world that is not causally closed.

Teleology is obvious in nature. Atheists and materialists intrinsically deny the reality of teleology-- Aristotelian final causation-- in nature, yet nothing in the natural world can be understood without reference to teleology. Science is saturated with reference to purpose and goals of natural things. Atheists deny teleology, because acceptance of teleology in nature raises devastating questions about their atheist faith.

Fundamentalist atheists-- secular priests-- fight ferociously to extinguish challenges to their faith, because they understand that to raise the question of teleology in nature is to answer it. Atheism, for good reason, fears questions.

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To: GodGunsGuts

Huh?


41 posted on 06/20/2009 9:43:27 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Oh, you mean that really was a direct quote from Buck W!?!?


42 posted on 06/20/2009 9:49:10 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’ll send my old specs since if the quotation marks don’t show up well. Course I may need to refill the pixel cartridge in my monitor or something.

Yeah, from that other thread about radio-something or other.


43 posted on 06/20/2009 9:53:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Buck W.
==That’s a rather ineffective response.

All responses are inneffective on brainless Temple of Darwin fanatics. Are one of those brains yours, or are you waiting to fill yours up with more darwiniac garbage before you make the ulimate sacrifice to the Bearded Buddha of Naturalism?


44 posted on 06/20/2009 9:54:30 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change

LOL...I thought you were paraphrasing. I guess you’re not as talented as I thought d:op


45 posted on 06/20/2009 9:57:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I keep it on the inside. I don't want to be like some of the posters that burn their entire candle in one post.

How anyone can make vulgar and off-color insults and in the breath propound what Christians they are is beyond my understanding. The more so since they claim to know the Bible and yet fail to appreciate Jesus'’ words about what comes out of a person's mouth “defiles” them.

But you're right, I'm just not talented that way.

46 posted on 06/20/2009 10:12:50 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Isn’t it nice to know that the Evos care enough about us to go out of their way to tell us that they don’t care about us...LOL!

Who said we don't care about you? You are, after all, one of God's highly evolved creatures. Even if you choose to use your highly evolved brain to be an ankle biter, God still loves you.

47 posted on 06/20/2009 11:35:58 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Good morning.

I have a question.

Is the universe the same age as Earth?


48 posted on 06/21/2009 8:09:03 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Jeff Gordon; GodGunsGuts
Sorry. I do not engage with ad hominem attackers like you.

LOLROTF!!!!

This from someone who begins with:

Sometimes, however, you are like those little yapping puppies that run around trying to bite peoples ankles. Sometimes people get tired of the ankle bitters and give them a little kick.

One little kick back after hours of ankle biting makes you yell, "attack." That little kick is then turned into "always on the attack."

Pitiful.

49 posted on 06/21/2009 10:14:58 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: GodGunsGuts

More despicable slander from the Discovery Institute.


50 posted on 06/21/2009 10:23:43 AM PDT by Salman
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To: tpanther

Sorry. I do not engage with ad hominem attackers like you.


51 posted on 06/21/2009 10:26:03 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Teleology is obvious in nature.

The existence of cancer pretty much destroys any argument for teleology in nature.

52 posted on 06/21/2009 10:31:01 AM PDT by Two Ravens
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To: Jeff Gordon

promise?


53 posted on 06/21/2009 10:51:08 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Two Ravens
The existence of cancer pretty much destroys any argument for teleology in nature.

How so? I can think of at least 2 reasons why this isn't necessarily true.

54 posted on 06/21/2009 10:55:51 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
How so? I can think of at least 2 reasons why this isn't necessarily true.

Cancer is a case of the body destroying itself, which is anti-teleological

55 posted on 06/21/2009 11:00:04 AM PDT by Two Ravens
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To: Two Ravens

I know what it is, but why is that anti-teological?

For instance, I know I wouldn’t want to live here forever.

And just because something was intelligently designed, why does that mean something or someone couldn’t come along and screw it up?

For instance computer viruses.


56 posted on 06/21/2009 11:47:28 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Salman

What part is slander? Slander of whom?


57 posted on 06/21/2009 11:49:36 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: tpanther
I know what it is, but why is that anti-teological? For instance, I know I wouldn’t want to live here forever.

Babies and young children unfortunately die from cancer, which particularly highlights the anti-teleological character of nature.

And just because something was intelligently designed, why does that mean something or someone couldn’t come along and screw it up? For instance computer viruses.

Ever hear of Occam's Razor?

58 posted on 06/21/2009 11:58:55 AM PDT by Two Ravens
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To: jessduntno

A perfect example proving that Teleology in nature can not exist.


59 posted on 06/21/2009 1:05:41 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Two Ravens

Yes kids die of cancer, but in the scheme of eternity I don’t know how that would make a giant difference.

Yes I’ve heard of Occam’s razor. Not sure how it relates either.


60 posted on 06/21/2009 1:06:44 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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