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'It's Really bad' (4 teens killed in NM highway crash by drunk driver)
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | June 30, 2009 | Phil Parker And Kiera Hay

Posted on 06/30/2009 8:04:56 AM PDT by CedarDave

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To: CedarDave
Jeez...

Officer faces DWI charges (Santa Fe NM police Lt.)

41 posted on 06/30/2009 9:27:39 AM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's EPA wants to get rid of cows: They emit CO2 from the front end and CH4 from the rear.)
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To: CedarDave
From the story with the 911 audio:

Near Sunday’s crash site on Interstate 25 — which runs parallel to Old Las Vegas Highway east of Santa Fe — five members of a Las Vegas, N.M., family and drunken driver Dana Papst were killed in November 2006 when Papst drove his pickup truck the wrong way on the interstate’s northbound lanes into the family’s van.

42 posted on 06/30/2009 9:34:50 AM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's EPA wants to get rid of cows: They emit CO2 from the front end and CH4 from the rear.)
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To: Tunehead54; cripplecreek

It looks to have been a Ford Explorer based on the headlight area.


43 posted on 06/30/2009 9:35:58 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: IYAS9YAS

I just read an update and it looks like all the kids will live. 4 of the 5 previously listed as critical have been upgraded to stable condition.

From the names I’m guessing one is the son of one of the guys I used to run with as a kid. (doing the same crap)

What there were doing was getting airborn on a dirt road with some steep sharp hills. We used to do the same when I was a teenager.


44 posted on 06/30/2009 9:42:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
some of the stuff I see on youtube (kids trying to jump over moving cars, for instance) makes me think that kids no longer see a line between fantasy physics and reality physics.

We also coddle children so much when they're young they don't learn these things for themselves as a natural process.
45 posted on 06/30/2009 9:45:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: vladimir998

16 year olds are too young to be driving a car. I’ve told all four of mine that I will support them legally driving at 18 — not before.


46 posted on 06/30/2009 9:48:16 AM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: spetznaz

The interesting thing about the Princess Di crash is that the one person wearing a seatbelt survived but the 3 who didn’t didn’t. I remember one very graphic photo of the car and the image would make you think no one could have lived through the crash.


47 posted on 06/30/2009 9:51:10 AM PDT by xp38
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To: DCBryan1

At my 15 year college reunion in April, someone reminded me of the time we borrowed a friend’s BMW. I got it up to 130. When my friend brought it up, I felt physically sick at the memory. How STUPID of me, and how careless. I was 21 at the time. I knew better but did it anyway.

In high school I routinely stole my parents car at 3am and took it on joyrides to see how fast I could go. Then I’d replace the gas I’d used and roll it back in the driveway - they never found out. Again, I feel sick at the thought of what could have happened. I was a stupid young woman, but very lucky.


48 posted on 06/30/2009 9:56:15 AM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: adopt4Christ
16 year olds are too young to be driving a car. I’ve told all four of mine that I will support them legally driving at 18 — not before.

That all depends. Where I grew up it was pretty common to be a fairly experienced driver at 14 years old between driving on farms and our parents letting us do the driving on backroads.
49 posted on 06/30/2009 9:56:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

We don’t live on a farm and we don’t drive tractors or lawn mowers. 16 year old brains are still growing — haven’t fully cooked yet. My house, my insurance, my rules.


50 posted on 06/30/2009 9:58:56 AM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: Kakaze

Nothing wrong with posting your thoughts on that. I work professionally in a field where roadway safety is one of my single primary concerns, and I have long said that roadside checkpoints for drunk drivers have no place in America.


51 posted on 06/30/2009 9:59:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great . . . beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: adopt4Christ

That’s fine. Just pointing out that all 16 year olds aren’t the same.

I was required to take drivers training but was exempted from having to take an actual behind the wheel test. Just the written test to get my license.


52 posted on 06/30/2009 10:01:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: OB1kNOb

When I was in high school a drunk driver slammed into a car full of mothers (6, as I recall) returning from a church school activity. Among them they had over 20 kids. The only survivors were one mother who was maimed for life, and - unharmed - the drunk driver.


53 posted on 06/30/2009 10:02:20 AM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: Alberta's Child
roadside checkpoints for drunk drivers have no place in America.

When I drank I drove backroads anyway and would have been unlikely to run into a checkpoint.
54 posted on 06/30/2009 10:03:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: DCBryan1

Amazing . . . that post looks like the aftermath of a Darwin Award ceremony where five recipients were honored.


55 posted on 06/30/2009 10:03:18 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great . . . beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Alberta's Child

A little difficult to even tell it was a BMW from that shot.


56 posted on 06/30/2009 10:08:08 AM PDT by xp38
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To: EDINVA

Did the drunken murderer survive?


57 posted on 06/30/2009 10:35:26 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (It is impossible to convince someone of facts or truth if they refuse to believe.)
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To: CedarDave
I wonder why they were out at midnight going to a party and not on their way home? In PA, kids under 18 have a driving curfew from 11:00 PM - 5:00 AM. It sucked when I was that age, but I can definately understand it now. 16 year old don't need to be out later than that. My prayers are with these kids and their families, however.
58 posted on 06/30/2009 10:42:52 AM PDT by JenB987
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I wonder why they were out at midnight going to a party and not on their way home?

Good question. And if going to a "party" in El Dorado, the chances were probably good that there was alcohol there too. Not to diminish the tragedy, but if they weren't out on the highway at that hour, it wouldn't have happened.

59 posted on 06/30/2009 11:53:22 AM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's EPA wants to get rid of cows: They emit CO2 from the front end and CH4 from the rear.)
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To: CedarDave

Exactly what I was thinking.

My parents would have never let me out of house that late to go somewhere. In fact, at 16, I was even allowed to go to people’s houses who my parents didn’t already know.

It’s sad, but I have a feeling these parents are now regretting letting their kids get away with the things they did.


60 posted on 06/30/2009 12:01:50 PM PDT by JenB987
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