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Papal Message Seeks "Global Authority" for Economy
Reuters ^ | July 7, 2009 | Phillip Pullella

Posted on 07/07/2009 10:30:02 AM PDT by TheRiverNile

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict called on Tuesday for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.

The pope made his call for a re-think of the way the world economy is run in a new encyclical which touched on a number of social issues but whose main connecting thread was how the current crisis has affected both rich and poor nations.

Parts of the encyclical, titled "Charity in Truth," seemed bound to upset free marketeers because of its underlying rejection of unbridled capitalism and unregulated market forces, which he said had led to "thoroughly destructive" abuse of the system.

The pope said every economic decision had a moral consequence and called for "forms of redistribution" of wealth overseen by governments to help those most affected by crises.

Benedict said "there is an urgent need of a true world political authority" whose task would be "to manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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To: TheRiverNile

Black Pope ALERT!!!!!!!


51 posted on 07/07/2009 10:52:23 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TheRiverNile

I’m Roman Catholic and agree on nearly all of the church’s teachings. However he is DEAD wrong on this.

God gave us all FREEWILL to make choices.

Regarding capitalism:
1) some will create wealth that will benefit mankind,
2) some will obtain wealth out of greed
3) some will ENVY and COVET what others have earned

...and God will be the final judge with what one does with their wealth


52 posted on 07/07/2009 10:53:11 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Retired Greyhound

The Catholic Church was established by Christ. The Roman Government merely recognized it as the faith Christ established and declared it the faith of the empire. The Catholic Church already existed for 350 years by that point.


53 posted on 07/07/2009 10:53:51 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: TheRiverNile

Give a man a fish, you feed him for the day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.

What the Pope needs to teach:

Let the deadbeats get off their backsides and stop begging for handouts.


54 posted on 07/07/2009 10:53:55 AM PDT by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: TheRiverNile

My respect for this pope just dropped a number of pegs. It is one thing to castigate greed, as “the love of money is the root of all evil.” However, the Bible teaches us that as individuals we are to freely and lovingly give of our gifts to those less fortunate. To force us to submit to tyrants (and I would point out to the pope that many of them are distinctly non-Christian), and to be forcibly separated from the fruits of our labor, is decidedly un-Christian. It has no basis in Biblical teaching. Not in the Bible I’ve read, anyway.


55 posted on 07/07/2009 10:54:34 AM PDT by henkster (Bumper Sticker: Please don't tell 0bama what comes after a Trillion!)
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To: TheRiverNile

Pretty bad message to be sending.


56 posted on 07/07/2009 10:54:41 AM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: TheRiverNile

As I posted on another thread.....how many of you have actually read the encyclical?

But then again maybe reading it would be too great of a strain and destroy you well construction views and prejudices.


57 posted on 07/07/2009 10:55:44 AM PDT by PanzerKardinal
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To: TheRiverNile

Who here has actually read the Pope’s encyclical, and not just what Reuters says the Pope said? Anyone? Anyone?


58 posted on 07/07/2009 10:55:48 AM PDT by theanonymouslurker
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To: TheRiverNile
I'm not. If it is as it is being reported, it is final collusion of communism that is taught in seminaries and preached from the pulpit joining forces with the secular communists.

A large portion of the Christian churches was taken over through the seminaries and theological programs in academe at about the same time the statists took over the other programs.

59 posted on 07/07/2009 10:56:14 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: TheRiverNile
"baffled"

It's simple, the Pope is an economic ignoramus. He means well, but so many disastrous events have occurred because some people were "meant well".

60 posted on 07/07/2009 10:56:46 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: TheRiverNile

John Hagee has said some things about this.

I’m not going to say more, because I will get flamed and attacked.


61 posted on 07/07/2009 10:56:55 AM PDT by TNLawyer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,")
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To: TheRiverNile

I think the Pope should try reading the Bible.


62 posted on 07/07/2009 10:57:08 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: karnage; thefrankbaum
Caritas In Veritate (Charity in Truth), released June 29th, 2009.
63 posted on 07/07/2009 10:57:16 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Grunthor

Then may we tke it that you agree with the Pope’s idea? If so, who should lead this super world government, the Pope or the idiot Obama, who is trying to become dictator already?


64 posted on 07/07/2009 10:57:21 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Artemis Webb
The Church has always been somewhat socialistic Communistic as they see government as a key component to helping the world’s poor...

One of the reasons that I am a fallen away RC.

65 posted on 07/07/2009 10:58:20 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: TheRiverNile

There already is one. It is called the free market. Everything else is a futile attempt to restrain the unrestrainable.


66 posted on 07/07/2009 10:58:29 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: TheRiverNile
Don't let Reuters parse your news for you. Read the whole thing, if you can.

Caritas in veritate

Remember, the Pope is the shepherd for millions of poor Africans, Indians, Latin Americans and Philipinos--not just rich Americans.
67 posted on 07/07/2009 10:59:20 AM PDT by Antoninus (Time to fight back--donate to Free Republic, then donate to www.sarahpac.com)
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To: brownsfan

You wrote:

“So the Pope is a communist?”

Nope. Not even close.

“Big surprise.”

What is most surprising is how you could embarrass yourself this way.

“I’m a Christian, not a Catholic.”

Catholics are Christians.

“Therefore, I view the pope as a good man who is flawed, and quite falible.”

He would agree with you.

“History tells us that the good modifier was a stretch for some popes.”

Yes, and “great” and “saintly” was a good modifier for many of them.

“As such, I’d wish for the pope to tend to his business, that of spiritual guidance, and stay out of economic matters.”

Sometimes the two are very related. Ever hear of the poor?


68 posted on 07/07/2009 10:59:32 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Antoninus
—not just rich Americans...

WOW! How incredibly rude!
All Americans are not rich - they have set up a system that has enabled them to enjoy the fruits of much hard labor, unlike the other places you mention where it is simply stolen from them by that big one government.

69 posted on 07/07/2009 11:04:12 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: TheRiverNile

Ok, this has got to be satire on the old “The Pope is the False Prophet of The Beast Anti-Christ system... blah, blah, blah”.

If not, IT IS MIND BOGGLING THAT THIS CURRENT VERY GODLY POPE, COULD BE SO INCREDIBLY IGNORANT AS TO WHAT HE IS CALLING FOR?! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!


70 posted on 07/07/2009 11:04:22 AM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: TheRiverNile
This has absolutely nothing to do with faith and morals. The Pope should stick to his knitting.
71 posted on 07/07/2009 11:07:56 AM PDT by oldbrowser (This is not an administration, it's a crime syndicate.)
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To: TheRiverNile

Proud once again to be Protestant.


72 posted on 07/07/2009 11:07:59 AM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: All; Larry Lucido

Before this thread devolves into a bash-fest of Catholicism, let’s all try to remember that, as Larry Lucido said (implied) upthread, the Pope does not, nay, even CAN NOT, speak infallibly on matters not regarding faith and morals, thus, this should not be considered “official Catholic dogma” in any way. That is, economic opinion is not a matter of “faith and morals”.

With that said, also, I think it would behoove everyone to actually read the entire encyclical to gain a proper understanding of what the Pope is saying (and not saying). Found here: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

I haven’t read it fully myself, but I’d be willing to bet he’s probably not calling for a “one world government” as some are believing.


73 posted on 07/07/2009 11:07:59 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: beethovenfan

You wrote:

“I think the Pope should try reading the Bible.”

What an incredibly ignorant comment on your part. He knows the Bible very well - including those verses about the poor and justice.

It is amazing to me how many Americans mistake American captalism for Christianity. Capitalism can serve Christianity, but it is not Chrisianity in itself by any stretch of the imagination.


74 posted on 07/07/2009 11:08:26 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: PanzerKardinal

Have you? How about telling us exactly where Reuters is lying?


75 posted on 07/07/2009 11:08:35 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: FourtySeven

It was released today, although signed by BXVI on the 29th. It is over 100 pages long with 160 footnotes - I don’t put a ton of stock in the MSMs reading of it.


76 posted on 07/07/2009 11:09:51 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: bill1952

Not even GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF puts a gun to your head and forces you to give to Him or to others. He says to do it with a good heart, cheerfully or don’t bother.


77 posted on 07/07/2009 11:10:25 AM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: TheRiverNile

Hmmm....the illuminati....the free masons.....rockefeller.....skull and bones....secret societies....the catholic church....New World Order....


78 posted on 07/07/2009 11:10:39 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (War is when the government tells u who the bad guy is. Revolution is when u decide that for yourself)
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To: oldbrowser

You wrote:

“This has absolutely nothing to do with faith and morals.”

I guess God was wrong to have His prophets complain so much in the Bible about poverty and injustice then, right? Strange how Jesus thought it mattered to the souls of men - and their judgment - but you think it doesn’t.


79 posted on 07/07/2009 11:11:08 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Arkinsaw

There is no global authority that can, or will be, moral.”

****

And that is really all that needs to be said.


80 posted on 07/07/2009 11:11:43 AM PDT by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: TheRiverNile

Millions of folks are baffled by this remark from Pope Benedict.

The New World Order just got a huge boost.


81 posted on 07/07/2009 11:11:53 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Retired Greyhound
The Catholic Church was established by the Roman Government.

This is no surprise.


Bingo.
82 posted on 07/07/2009 11:12:02 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: MrDem

not sure of your point.


83 posted on 07/07/2009 11:12:17 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: TheRiverNile

“Tis more blessed to give than to receive and dammit, I’m going to see that you are blessed! Over and over again.”


84 posted on 07/07/2009 11:12:21 AM PDT by paulycy (Liberal DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE crimes.)
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To: TheRiverNile

No, no!


85 posted on 07/07/2009 11:12:44 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (If ten percent is good enough for Jesus, it ought to be good enough for Uncle Sam. --Ray Stevens)
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To: Antoninus
Remember, the Pope is the shepherd for millions of poor Africans, Indians, Latin Americans and Philipinos--not just rich Americans."

Then he would do well to tell these people to follow America's example of individual liberty, hard work, and free-market capitalism...not condemn them to perpetual poverty through outdated, collectivist fallacies.

86 posted on 07/07/2009 11:14:01 AM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: rawhide

I’m sure there is a whole raft of really loud Preachers shaking the rooftops in churches and on youtube at the moment.

This being an encyclical, it is supposed to carry more weight isn’t it?


87 posted on 07/07/2009 11:14:19 AM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Antoninus
Remember, the Pope is the shepherd for millions of poor Africans, Indians, Latin Americans and Philipinos--not just rich Americans.

And what about those who don't wanted to be hereded like sheep by a shepherd -- Pope or otherwise?

88 posted on 07/07/2009 11:14:50 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: TheRiverNile

I know it was a long time ago, but didn’t Charles V teach the Vatican to keep its nose out of this sort of thing?


89 posted on 07/07/2009 11:15:49 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: bill1952

The Church condemned communism numerous times. That is just throwing around terms.


90 posted on 07/07/2009 11:16:18 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Antoninus

This is disappointing to say the least, I had thought he was a Traditionalist, this borders on Liberation Theology and I never thought I’d hear that from this Pope.


91 posted on 07/07/2009 11:16:30 AM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: TheRiverNile
there is an urgent need of a true world political authority" whose task would be "to manage the global economy

In former times this was otherwise known as "The Catholic Church" and he wants that role back.
92 posted on 07/07/2009 11:16:55 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: padre35

This is Reuters that we’re talking about!


93 posted on 07/07/2009 11:17:11 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: TheRiverNile

What in the hell??? The Pope is helping to reign in globalization in a political leader? This is freaky.


94 posted on 07/07/2009 11:18:02 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: vladimir998

Forced giving via socialism IS EVIL AND IMMORAL TO THE CORE!

GOD ALMIGHTY doesn’t even force us to give against our will.


95 posted on 07/07/2009 11:18:03 AM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: theanonymouslurker
"Who here has actually read the Pope’s encyclical, and not just what Reuters says the Pope said? Anyone? Anyone?

I haven't. But if you do and get a different read on it, please share it.

I am not a Roman Catholic so there is nothing for me to defend, but I am completely aware that the media spin on things can often reach orbital proportions -- and for the sake of the world's Roman Catholics, I do hope that it is just media spin and that the Pope didn't say or mean what we are hearing here.

96 posted on 07/07/2009 11:18:33 AM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

tke = take


97 posted on 07/07/2009 11:18:40 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: bill1952
One of the reasons that I am a fallen away RC.

Never was and will never be. If every one would read about the history of the catholic church they would get a rude awakening.
98 posted on 07/07/2009 11:18:42 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: TheRiverNile

I’m dismayed that the Pope seems to believe in enslaving the masses to an anti-Christian, socialist global elite.

No way in hell I’d ever go along with something like this.

Prediction: The left will exploit this to push their agenda while ignoring other parts of the encyclical pertaining to moral issues.


99 posted on 07/07/2009 11:19:47 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: randomhero97

If anyone read the unfiltered-through-Protestant-hands history of the Catholic Church, they’d be Catholic.


100 posted on 07/07/2009 11:20:00 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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