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Concerning the "Death Panels"
Facebook ^ | 08-12-09 | Sarah Palin

Posted on 08/12/2009 9:36:38 PM PDT by euram

Yesterday President Obama responded to my statement that Democratic health care proposals would lead to rationed care; that the sick, the elderly, and the disabled would suffer the most under such rationing; and that under such a system these “unproductive” members of society could face the prospect of government bureaucrats determining whether they deserve health care.

The President made light of these concerns. He said:

“Let me just be specific about some things that I’ve been hearing lately that we just need to dispose of here. The rumor that’s been circulating a lot lately is this idea that somehow the House of Representatives voted for death panels that will basically pull the plug on grandma because we’ve decided that we don’t, it’s too expensive to let her live anymore....It turns out that I guess this arose out of a provision in one of the House bills that allowed Medicare to reimburse people for consultations about end-of-life care, setting up living wills, the availability of hospice, etc. So the intention of the members of Congress was to give people more information so that they could handle issues of end-of-life care when they’re ready on their own terms. It wasn’t forcing anybody to do anything.” [1]

The provision that President Obama refers to is Section 1233 of HR 3200, entitled “Advance Care Planning Consultation.” [2] With all due respect, it’s misleading for the President to describe this section as an entirely voluntary provision that simply increases the information offered to Medicare recipients. The issue is the context in which that information is provided and the coercive effect these consultations will have in that context.

Section 1233 authorizes advanced care planning consultations for senior citizens on Medicare every five years, and more often “if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual ... or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility... or a hospice program." [3] During those consultations, practitioners must explain “the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice,” and the government benefits available to pay for such services. [4]

Now put this in context. These consultations are authorized whenever a Medicare recipient’s health changes significantly or when they enter a nursing home, and they are part of a bill whose stated purpose is “to reduce the growth in health care spending.” [5] Is it any wonder that senior citizens might view such consultations as attempts to convince them to help reduce health care costs by accepting minimal end-of-life care? As Charles Lane notes in the Washington Post, Section 1233 “addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones.... If it’s all about alleviating suffering, emotional or physical, what’s it doing in a measure to “bend the curve” on health-care costs?” [6]

As Lane also points out:

Though not mandatory, as some on the right have claimed, the consultations envisioned in Section 1233 aren’t quite “purely voluntary,” as Rep. Sander M. Levin (D-Mich.) asserts. To me, “purely voluntary” means “not unless the patient requests one.” Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that’s an incentive to insist.

Patients may refuse without penalty, but many will bow to white-coated authority. Once they’re in the meeting, the bill does permit “formulation” of a plug-pulling order right then and there. So when Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) denies that Section 1233 would “place senior citizens in situations where they feel pressured to sign end-of-life directives that they would not otherwise sign,” I don’t think he’s being realistic. [7]

Even columnist Eugene Robinson, a self-described “true believer” who “will almost certainly support” “whatever reform package finally emerges”, agrees that “If the government says it has to control health-care costs and then offers to pay doctors to give advice about hospice care, citizens are not delusional to conclude that the goal is to reduce end-of-life spending.” [8]

So are these usually friendly pundits wrong? Is this all just a “rumor” to be “disposed of”, as President Obama says? Not according to Democratic New York State Senator Ruben Diaz, Chairman of the New York State Senate Aging Committee, who writes:

Section 1233 of House Resolution 3200 puts our senior citizens on a slippery slope and may diminish respect for the inherent dignity of each of their lives.... It is egregious to consider that any senior citizen ... should be placed in a situation where he or she would feel pressured to save the government money by dying a little sooner than he or she otherwise would, be required to be counseled about the supposed benefits of killing oneself, or be encouraged to sign any end of life directives that they would not otherwise sign. [9]

Of course, it’s not just this one provision that presents a problem. My original comments concerned statements made by Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor to President Obama and the brother of the President’s chief of staff. Dr. Emanuel has written that some medical services should not be guaranteed to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens....An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.” [10] Dr. Emanuel has also advocated basing medical decisions on a system which “produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.” [11]

President Obama can try to gloss over the effects of government authorized end-of-life consultations, but the views of one of his top health care advisors are clear enough. It’s all just more evidence that the Democratic legislative proposals will lead to health care rationing, and more evidence that the top-down plans of government bureaucrats will never result in real health care reform.

[1] See http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/president-obama-addresses-sarah-palin-death-panels-wild-representations.html. [2] See http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf [3] See HR 3200 sec. 1233 (hhh)(1); Sec. 1233 (hhh)(3)(B)(1), above. [4] See HR 3200 sec. 1233 (hhh)(1)(E), above. [5] See http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf [6] See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html]. [7] Id. [8] See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081002455.html]. [9] See http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/letter-congressman-henry-waxman-re-section-1233-hr-3200. [10] See http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Where_Civic_Republicanism_and_Deliberative_Democracy_Meet.pdf [11] See http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarce-Medical-Interventions.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: obamacare; palin; sarahpalin
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1 posted on 08/12/2009 9:36:39 PM PDT by euram
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To: euram

‘cuda attack. ;)


2 posted on 08/12/2009 9:43:10 PM PDT by MountainWoman
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To: euram

Interesting how she makes a statement on Facebook and every news outlet and pundit including president has to mention it... that denotes power to me.


3 posted on 08/12/2009 9:44:58 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: euram

Go Sarah Go!

Tell it like it is......


4 posted on 08/12/2009 9:46:43 PM PDT by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan)
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To: euram
Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that’s an incentive to insist.

Exactly right. Sarah Palin understands and analyzes this issue better than any other Republican, and far far better than any Democrat, particularly the President.
5 posted on 08/12/2009 9:47:16 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Tomorrow’s responses ought to be fun. She is great!


6 posted on 08/12/2009 9:48:46 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: euram
Well written and reasoned article, backed up with excellent citations.

What really scares me is that, although the current bill may be benign, every government program, without exception, rapidly grows out of control. Though counseling may be optional in 2013, you just know in your heart that the cost savings will not meet targets and the counseling will then become mandatory. Then the age will creep down to 65, 60 and 55. Then when cost targets are still not met, mandatory rationing for the useless eaters will be instituted. It's the way and the history of post WW II Washington DC.

As was so eloquently written only a few years back when a great many people rallied for freedom and liberty, "He has...sent hither swarms of new officers to harass our people and eat out their substance." Truer words cannot be spoken about the US at the beginning of the 21st century.

7 posted on 08/12/2009 9:57:06 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: euram

Palin’s response is both very detailed and devastating. It looks like she is indeed doubling down on this—as she certainly should do.


8 posted on 08/12/2009 9:57:11 PM PDT by Wanpeirui
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To: euram

I’m living vicariously through Sarah.

I keep picturing in my mind that scene at the end of ‘Animal House’ where Mayor Carmine De Pasto is giving his speech with Faber College’s Dean Vernon Wormer on the stage. Sarah (making her own rules) is the Delta fraternity, and soon, is going to be a one-lady wrecking crew for Obama.


9 posted on 08/12/2009 9:58:14 PM PDT by 506Lake (You can't fake awesome... Palin's awesome.)
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To: MountainWoman

As I’ve said before, I used to work as a reporter at the Frontiersman, the newspaper serving the Mat-Su Valley, which includes Wasilla. Those of us who knew Sarah Palin in her early years understand that she is smart, savvy, and shrewd. This kind of organized, pointed response sends fear down the spines of the Obama cabal.

We’ll need someone like this to clean up the mess made by the protofascistii of the American left.


10 posted on 08/12/2009 9:58:49 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: euram
Sarah Palin said it..."death panels". The Washington intelligentsia laughed at how "stupid" and "over the top" she was.

Then Obama & Co. spent an ENTIRE WEEK on the defensive over "death panels" and it is still building in the public consciousness. The ENTIRE NATION is talking about "death panels". Can you recall a memorable sentence on health care from either Mitt or Huckabee in the past 6 months?

When will Republicans realize that this woman is the real deal?

11 posted on 08/12/2009 10:00:28 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Interesting how she makes a statement on Facebook and every news outlet and pundit including president has to mention it... that denotes power to me.”

Yup.
Zero knows exactly where his biggest threat comes from.
Another thing, 'Cuda is careful to quote mainly Democrats, who actually back 0bama, to refute 0bama’s own assertions. Very clever.
The next few days is going to be fun. 'Cuda is playing the 0bamacrats like a fiddle.

12 posted on 08/12/2009 10:01:14 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: FreepShop1

Sarah Palin has pwned Obama with his “Death Panels”. Pwned.


13 posted on 08/12/2009 10:03:40 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: SmokingJoe

Several days ago there was an article posted saying she may want to do a Perot-type commercial. But, can you imagine how many Youtube hits she would get if she did post a video where she goes over the various parts of the House bill. It would go viral!


14 posted on 08/12/2009 10:07:52 PM PDT by nowheretohide
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To: euram

Wow! Impressive volley!


15 posted on 08/12/2009 10:10:01 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: euram

Sarah comes across clear as a bell. While a bitter 1% of conservatives will keep denouncing her as a “quitter,” she appears destined for greatness.

Go Bear Lady Go!


16 posted on 08/12/2009 10:12:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Liberals drink the kool-aid that Obama has puked.)
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To: euram
the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care . . . minimal end-of-life care . . . "the goal is to reduce end-of-life spending." . . . It is egregious to consider that any senior citizen ... should be placed in a situation where he or she would feel pressured to save the government money by dying a little sooner than he or she otherwise would

It seems palliative care in lieu of curative care is never, or at least rarely, mentioned.

That is the death in Death Panel.

Combine palliative care with rationing and you got euthanasia lite. IMO.

It don't make a lick of sense that ex-Gov. Palin talks about it vis-à-vis Death Panels and virtually everyone ignores it!

.. and regarding pressured to save the government money by dying a little sooner than he or she otherwise would should not be mentioned without Democrat Richard Lamm's famous counsel, seriously ill old people have a duty to die and get out of the way.

17 posted on 08/12/2009 10:13:25 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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deathcarebob
18 posted on 08/12/2009 10:14:02 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: FreepShop1
And Obama’s most talked about byte from his campaign rally posing as a town hall meeting was to use the Post Office as an example of government efficiency in generating competition. Way to close the deal with the American people.
19 posted on 08/12/2009 10:14:30 PM PDT by eggman (Obama's Spread the Wealth will work just as well as Spread the Liabilities (sub-prime mortgages))
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To: advance_copy
Sarah Palin has pwned Obama with his “Death Panels”. Pwned.

LOLROFLDOOMM! (rolling on floor drooling out of my mouth) Obama's healthcare "reform" seems to have met ITS death panel!

20 posted on 08/12/2009 10:14:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Liberals drink the kool-aid that Obama has puked.)
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