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1 posted on 08/16/2009 9:20:30 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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Any Republicans or Democrats who "compromise" for the sake of popularity now on this important principle involving future generations should be recalled at the next election cycle! And that includes Shelby!!

This is not about a frivolous question of which provisions are acceptable and which are unacceptable. This is about a power struggle between the principles the founding generation were willing to stake their "lives, property, and sacred honor" for, and those who, throughout the history of civilization have arrogated unto themselves power over other people's lives.

The current "issue" called "health care reform," or its equally obnoxious semantic twin "health insurance reform," is just the invasion of liberty by arrogant elected officials which has finally aroused citizens who, heretofore, ignored the decades-long power grab by those who were supposed to protect "We, the People's" constitutional principles.

Now, citizens are seeing that it is a matter of "principle," not an issue of semantics over wording.

They should not allow their elected representatives to be coopted by "blue dogs" or any other "wolf in sheep's clothing" that would allow what may turn out to be the most important watershed moment in the history of American liberty to be further threatened. Now, Conrad and Sebelius, and others, sensing the voter mood are throwing out "compromise" talk this weekend, all to punt for better position down the road. Seize the moment for the sake of posterity and just say, "no"!

A word from the author of our Declaration of Independence regarding citizens and oppressive government might give some backbone to today's citizens:

"The most effectual means of preventing the perversion of power into tyranny are to illuminate . . . the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits, that they may. . . know ambition under all its shapes, and . . . exert their natural power to defeat its purposes." - Thomas Jefferson

And, for more wisdom from the same source:

" . . . this is a tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sin and suffering. Then begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia, which some philosophers. . . have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follws that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."- Thomas Jefferson

2 posted on 08/16/2009 9:21:15 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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Don’t trust, verify.


3 posted on 08/16/2009 9:21:48 AM PDT by skeeter
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Shouldn’t they check with Nancy Pelosi first? She said she had the votes to pass it.


4 posted on 08/16/2009 9:21:54 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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Beware of the bait and switch.

They may make it virtually impossible for insurance companies to make any money by imposing expensive regulations and then bring the "public option" in later, after all the Health Carriers follow in the footsteps of Chrysler and GM.

6 posted on 08/16/2009 9:25:25 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Waterloo.


8 posted on 08/16/2009 9:26:21 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (You can take the thug out of Chicago, but you can't take Chicago out of the thug.)
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I don’t buy it. The Dems are probably trying to quiet the “rubes, nazis, crazy right wingers...” so they won’t protest anymore.


10 posted on 08/16/2009 9:29:14 AM PDT by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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Drop the whole thing. Government, keep your laws off of my body.


11 posted on 08/16/2009 9:29:37 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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We heard the Senate Committee has taken it out.

Doesn't matter....They just want something passed. It's not about Health Care...it's about creating another "pocket" to rob from every year.

12 posted on 08/16/2009 9:30:08 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Remember, it’s the skinny end of the wedge that goes in first.


13 posted on 08/16/2009 9:30:42 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?")
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Too Late!... The door has already gained too much momentum in the process of being slammed in their face!


15 posted on 08/16/2009 9:34:31 AM PDT by Safrguns
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it’s not going to be dropped. The way the snakes in congress get what they want is to either put something in that opens the door for it or they’ll sneak it in during committee when no one is looking.

This is Obama’s crown jewel. He’s not going to let it go quietly into the thuggish Chicago night...


16 posted on 08/16/2009 9:35:10 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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Truth has never been the strong suit of this President or Congress. When the legislation dies and the incumbents leave office; then we can start to look for ways to improve Health Care. The Federal Government should be looking at what the Commerce Clause of the Constitution is about. With further reading they might find out that running the Post Office, not Health Care is their Constitutional mandate.


17 posted on 08/16/2009 9:35:56 AM PDT by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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I don’t want it public option or not. Anything they drop will simply be put back into it later. Conservatives had better keep the pressure on and kill this thing dead! Any politician who votes for this in ANY form should be voted out next election.


18 posted on 08/16/2009 9:36:59 AM PDT by calex59
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What would stop the democrats from creating a ‘public option’ after they get most of what they want in this ‘compromise’ bill? I say kill the bill!


19 posted on 08/16/2009 9:39:27 AM PDT by rawhide
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Apparently ready to abandon the idea, President Barack Obama's health secretary said Sunday a government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
This is HUGH defeat for O'Bammy the Commie and his net-root nuts will go even nuttier now.

btw, does this 'Insurance cooperative option' mean we can buy Health Ins like Car insurance? -- from any company in the country? Ooooooor is everyone still held captive by their state's Insurance Regs (written by crooks on the take)?

Like the 'Blue Cross Basic Blue Plan', which is not available in all states.

21 posted on 08/16/2009 9:41:36 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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But this is not the end of it. I for one do not find anything I want in HR3200.

Tort reform, defensive medicine, and NO Sweetheart deals for the insurers and pharmacutical companies must be a part of anything that passes.


24 posted on 08/16/2009 9:47:55 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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"White House appears ready to drop 'public option'"

8 months into his term and Obama is already in panic mode about his legacy.

If he does not get a health-care bill passed he will forever be known as a failed President.

26 posted on 08/16/2009 9:50:22 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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And these “insurance cooperatives” can come to absolute zero as zero himself.


30 posted on 08/16/2009 9:55:27 AM PDT by onedoug
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The co-ops will be a trojan horse. Once established, the co-ops will be “converted” to the public option in the future once the opposition has quieted down. Don’t let the co-ops in. Kick them when they are down!


31 posted on 08/16/2009 9:56:05 AM PDT by reaganbooster (The democrat party symbol should be the grim reaper instead of the donkey.)
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Vote all the freaks out of Washington..I do not trust any of them right or left they had better leave my health care alone..We did not come this far to let them think we have won when we did not..Obama and his commie crew are so shifty..Vote them out and also vote Obama out then his commie Czars will go with him..put them in jail where they belong..
33 posted on 08/16/2009 9:56:30 AM PDT by PLD
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