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Free Republic does not and will not support RINOS!! Not now!! Not ever!!
My day after Thanksgiving message | 11/26/200 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/26/2009 9:55:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Apparently there are still some posters on FR who are fast asleep. Wake up! Dammit! We are in the middle of a conservative rebellion! While you were sleeping we, along with millions of other freedom loving grassroots Americans have participated in hundreds of tea parties all across this great land and fully intend to keep it up until all of America is awake. We are fed up and mad as hell! We grassroots Americans are delivering a message to the ruling class: NO MORE!!

No more big government! No more high taxes! No more government bailouts! No more government takeovers! No government healthcare! No more corruption! No more global baloneyism!!

We're sick and tired of liberals and RINOs running roughshod over our God given Liberty!

We want our country back! We want our freedom back! We want it all back!!

No more socialism!!

Cut the taxes! Cut the spending! Cut the government!

Restore the constitutional limits on government! Restore our freedom!!

And not only no, but HELL NO to liberals and RINOS!!

Free Republic will not support RINOS!! Rudy McRomney, et al, can go straight to hell!!

The strategy is we win, they lose.

Any questions?


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To: XenaLee

Fine, but it has to start at the bottom. Hearts and minds must be changed one by one.


1,901 posted on 11/28/2009 2:32:14 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
We want change, and I see the GOP doing NOTHING, NOTHING to do anything to even give us a hint of hope for change. They don’t care.

They aren't afraid of us yet. I think there's a Jefferson quote about the government needing to be afraid of the people.

1,902 posted on 11/28/2009 2:35:18 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thanks! It takes a lot out of me to settle down and quantify these things. I’m glad to hear that some think it was worth the effort!


1,903 posted on 11/28/2009 2:36:38 PM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
You write: I try not to be nasty but it looks like for you folks, it just comes naturally. If someone has an opposing point of view, you are nasty.

I do not understand the desire to do it.

Well, from your very first post on this thread, #678 to Cedric:

Last Sat. night, I was glad for a few RINOs.

Besides, the bigots on here even call me names and a RINO. They couldn't be more wrong but I will never allow a RAT to defeat a Republican if I have any power to do anything about it.

Your first post isn't to us but to Cedric. And no one had had any prior communication with you on this thread. Yet you in your first post call to complain to him, and call us bigots. You may not understand the desire to be nasty, but it obviously comes natural to you.

1,904 posted on 11/28/2009 2:37:31 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

The people at the bottom that wanted change, and joined the tea parties. The rest..what are they doing? Where’s the evidence that they are demanding change from the top? Show us proof. Tea partiers are on top of this, demanding change.. Where is the base of the GOP?


1,905 posted on 11/28/2009 2:37:58 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I love God, my family & my country..........vote conservative..........Please pray for our soldiers)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I remember that quote...hang on a sec


1,906 posted on 11/28/2009 2:39:01 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I love God, my family & my country..........vote conservative..........Please pray for our soldiers)
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To: Windflier

No, not lonely at all. What don’t you get back to chasing aliens? Good grief, if you’re typical of the Palin crowd then you make my point.


1,907 posted on 11/28/2009 2:40:25 PM PST by sola_fide
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To: MestaMachine
"He stuck himself in the middle of a contested election in favor of a rino who was farther to the left than obama."

First of all, NOBODY is further to the left than Zero. Except, perhaps, Lucifer himself.

Secondly, the way I understand it, Newt didn't stick himself anywhere. The NRCC chose Dede. Not Newt. Newt just went along and supported the candidate that the friggin NRCC picked/chose. Blame the NRCC? That would be a damned refreshing change.

I want to know how the hell Newt went from being a conservative Republican hero/icon to being, according to you and a few others here, a RINO. I want to get to the bottom of this and if it turns out that you guys are unfairly attacking him or blaming HIM (which is exactly what it's looking like to me so far), I want to know what the REAL reason is. Cause so far, all I've heard is BS and lame@ss accusations.

1,908 posted on 11/28/2009 2:42:40 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: hiredhand

It was most DEFINITELY worth the effort.


1,909 posted on 11/28/2009 2:43:08 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DallasSun

European-American = white people. Do you have some kind of problem with white people?


1,910 posted on 11/28/2009 2:44:10 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Melas

A lot of people in my state did exactly that, and we got....Arlen Specter. I did not vote for him, but many rs did. Gee. That worked out swell for us.


1,911 posted on 11/28/2009 2:44:42 PM PST by MestaMachine (The First Thanksgiving was to THANK GOD, not the government. Thats my story and Im sticking to it)
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To: bcsco

Do you have any link to support that? Cause from my perspective, his explanation to Sean Hannity sounded perfectly plausible and logical. And again...where is all the friggin blame that should be placed on the idiots in the NRCC that picked her in the first place? Can ANYONE answer that question that I have now had to ask about a dozen times with still no cogent response?


1,912 posted on 11/28/2009 2:45:49 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Thanks. I've written the same thing with slight variations in verbiage many times over the past few years. Perhaps I was early and now it is TIME. :-)
1,913 posted on 11/28/2009 2:46:56 PM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: XenaLee; MestaMachine
I want to know how the hell Newt went from being a conservative Republican hero/icon to being, according to you and a few others here, a RINO. I want to get to the bottom of this and if it turns out that you guys are unfairly attacking him or blaming HIM (which is exactly what it's looking like to me so far), I want to know what the REAL reason is. Cause so far, all I've heard is BS and lame@ss accusations.

Excuse me but the last time I checked, we are allowed opinions whether you like them or not.

1,914 posted on 11/28/2009 2:47:04 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: MestaMachine

Yeah, I know what this thread is about. But since I haven’t been able to get a decent explanation on why everyone is targeting Newt instead of the NRCC, I thought I’d throw it into the mix and maybe I’d ‘get lucky’. So far, it’s SOL/no such luck.


1,915 posted on 11/28/2009 2:47:46 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: hiredhand; ~Kim4VRWC's~

Kim pinged me to it HH. It says it all. Should be made into fliers and posted on bulletin boards at party hq and anywhere else there’s an empty space.


1,916 posted on 11/28/2009 2:47:49 PM PST by MestaMachine (The First Thanksgiving was to THANK GOD, not the government. Thats my story and Im sticking to it)
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To: DJ MacWoW

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/q169586.html
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson


others

“he who would surrender a measure of freedom for a measure of safety; deserves neither freedom nor safety”
—Ben Franklin

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. “

“What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? “

“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. “

—Jefferson

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson


1,917 posted on 11/28/2009 2:48:59 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I love God, my family & my country..........vote conservative..........Please pray for our soldiers)
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To: Melas
However, I do expect people who don't know me to take me at my word when I say I believe something, as they are surely in no position to say otherwise.

Ever hear the old saying 'Actions speak louder than words'? I've learned over my life that what a person does with his life speaks more than what he tells me he's accomplished. Sometimes, when we root out the facts, the words ring hollow. I'm not speaking of you when I say that, only pointing out a hole in your point.

I do see, however, a discrepancy in your words vs. your actions. You speak a conservative line, but your trust in GOP solidarity belies your spoken beliefs. GOP solidarity will not win the day for America when so many GOP politicians are Democrat lite. And if you are so pro capitalist, pro small government as you depict, then your approach is defeatist in itself. And my pointing that out is not a cheap DU trick; it's stating the obvious.

...and since I'm still here, I guess I'm not the devil to be banned at this point.

Well, I don't see you as the Devil, simply a very misguided person who hasn't woken to what's coming. One who's also very determined not to change in the face of blunt fact. But that's your decision. And that doesn't make you someone worth a zot. At least in my opinion. But you'd best wear your flame-retardant undies around here. There's more to come given your opinion.

1,918 posted on 11/28/2009 2:51:18 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Every one of those apply. I wonder if they are still taught in school.


1,919 posted on 11/28/2009 2:53:39 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: MestaMachine; DJ MacWoW; ~Kim4VRWC's~
Kim pinged me to it HH. It says it all. Should be made into fliers and posted on bulletin boards at party hq and anywhere else there’s an empty space.

I've said those same things many times before...usually not so well received. That summation hasn't changed in a long time. It's rather an ultimatum of sorts, but that's just the way it is. I'm just glad that people are paying attention to it now. Even though I'm on a particular side, I'd rather avert disaster, but I'm not willing to enable incrementalism to do so.

This has been one doozie of a thread!
1,920 posted on 11/28/2009 2:54:41 PM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I don’t think so.... I did have my own kids do outside reading. Freedom —don’t think that was explained too much unless it related to slavery.


1,921 posted on 11/28/2009 2:57:57 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I love God, my family & my country..........vote conservative..........Please pray for our soldiers)
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To: XenaLee

Newt never backed down from his support from Scozzafava. He didn’t even back down after she dropped out. He tried to put a happy face on it, but that was all. I can’t give you a link without a very time consuming trip back through threads and searches, but the facts are well known.

As to the blame for the NRCC members who appointed her, I’ve seen that on FR as well. But Newt being such a big name in Republican circles, he caught the brunt of the criticism, and rightly so in my estimation. Newt has been held as the father of contemporary conservatism. That stems from his speakership and his involvement in the Contract With America. But as others have pointed out, his dipping into the GW Kool Aid, his dealings with Pelosi, his misguided support for such a flaming liberal as Scozzafava, he’s lost his aura and is no longer a favorite around here.


1,922 posted on 11/28/2009 2:58:14 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: Darksheare

Been down by the flood control dam lately?


1,923 posted on 11/28/2009 2:59:14 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

That’s kinda what I thought too. It goes along with the libs whole “gotta rewrite history” thing


1,924 posted on 11/28/2009 3:01:25 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: XenaLee

Is there a newt thread somewhere you could maybe visit? This ain’t a newt thread.
BUT what is it about calling conservatism dead, being a global warming supporter, supporting a candidate who coddles pedophiles and votes in favor of gay marriage don’t you understand?
What is it about going on Hannity and saying we had a right to be angry, and two days later he was defending scozzafava again has escaped your attention?
Did you also misss his dissing of Rush? I mean, come on. He has become what he campaigned against before he became what HE considers the defacto party leader and an elitist to boot. If we don’t follow HIS pearls of wisdom, WE are just the great,stupid, unwashed. Newt was a man for his time. His time has passed. Now he is seeking relevancy, and even if he is wrong, provably so, he defends his wrongness by calling everyone who disagrees with him wrong.
It’s sad.


1,925 posted on 11/28/2009 3:02:55 PM PST by MestaMachine (The First Thanksgiving was to THANK GOD, not the government. Thats my story and Im sticking to it)
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To: hiredhand
This has been one doozie of a thread!

You can say that again. I'm frankly surprised I haven't received a time suspension for some of the things I've said. But, I take it for only so long...

And congrats on your summation. It is a fine read and well stated. My hat is off to you.

1,926 posted on 11/28/2009 3:04:52 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: hiredhand

I was hoping jimrob would show back up, maybe he got his fill of it last night. You guys are awesome...glad to be by your side.


1,927 posted on 11/28/2009 3:05:22 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I love God, my family & my country..........vote conservative..........Please pray for our soldiers)
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To: little jeremiah

Well, I haven’t seen any evidence of Newt wanting the other side to like him. I did read his explanation on why the ad and it sounded logical to me (http://newt.org/tabid/193/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3351/Default.aspx). HE sounds logical to me. Unless or until someone can provide me with solid proof that he’s a DemocRat @ss kisser, I’ll have to respectfully disagree and refute.

Newt brought us Contract With America during the worst eight years this country has been through (IMO) ....(ahem, the worst so far). I just find it hard to believe that he could be magically transformed from a solid conservative to a RINO that easily and quickly.... and just because a few of you guys ‘say so’.

I’m am sooo not convinced, and God knows, we need all of the conservatives on our side that we can get. If Newt is really one of us, we need him. I’m going to get to the bottom of this. Some how. Some way.


1,928 posted on 11/28/2009 3:05:51 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well if you’re going to throw out every Rep that chooses party (Republican Party, that is) loyalty over ...(what’s the alternative you’re expecting from him?)...

what’s gonna be left? Zip, Zilch and Nada.

So, according to you anti-Newters, Newt should have told the NRCC to F-off then. Right? Is that how you would have played it? Really? Cause I’m not even seeing you freepers blaming the NRCC. Just Newt.


1,929 posted on 11/28/2009 3:10:11 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Not necessarily.


1,930 posted on 11/28/2009 3:11:43 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: XenaLee
Newt believes himself to be a leader. Who and what Scazzafava is is out there. A Leader would have checked who he was backing. Newt either didn't check or did and was ok with a Rino. That is NOT a Conservative leader.
1,931 posted on 11/28/2009 3:15:01 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: XenaLee
So, according to you anti-Newters, Newt should have told the NRCC to F-off then. Right? Is that how you would have played it? Really? Cause I’m not even seeing you freepers blaming the NRCC. Just Newt.

I already said there were posts on FR condemning the actions of the NRCC. There were numerous ones. But Newt and the NRCC both have a dog to hunt in this issue, and neither one trumps the other. The NRCC was wrong to appoint Scozzafava in the first place, and Newt was equally wrong in blindly backing her; especially in the face of determined opposition. Both actions deserve condemnation from conservatives. Both received condemnation. And that's the end of the story.

1,932 posted on 11/28/2009 3:15:35 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: DJ MacWoW
It's perfectly ok with me if you can't back up your opinion with facts and/or logic and reason. I completely understand that 'some' posters here have problems with that.
1,933 posted on 11/28/2009 3:16:27 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: bcsco

How can it be the end of the story if Newt is a RINO? And if he isn’t a RINO, then he’s being unfairly targeted.

I just want to find out the truth and the ‘why’. I’m funny that way.


1,934 posted on 11/28/2009 3:18:18 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Thank you ~Kim4VRWC’s~. If you’d like to ping folks to it, be my guest. I don’t generally like to ping folks in on my comments directed to one Freeper, unless it is soundly germane to the thread.

I do think it related a very important message to those who write off states, but that’s my take on it.

I do appreciate that you seem to agree. I think it’s important.


1,935 posted on 11/28/2009 3:18:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne (A MELTING POT not a potters wheel. Join us. Don't try to turn this nation into the one you fled.)
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To: hiredhand

Yes.

Courage is the test of all virtues. (C.S. Lewis said that.)

Without courage, RINO supporters may as well be enablers and assistants of leftists, because that is exactly what they turn out to be.

RINOS are worse than outright leftists, because they are just gradual leftists, while pretending to be something else. It’s better to be honest than sneaky.


1,936 posted on 11/28/2009 3:18:59 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: hiredhand; DJ MacWoW; ~Kim4VRWC's~

“This has been one doozie of a thread!”

It surely has, but a lot of things that needed saying have been said here.
You know, the whole 6 months I was on the state message board arguing with a poster called Harvey, we never, ever disrespected each other no matter how intense our debate was, and most of us on this thread have also been respectful of each other, with a couple notable exceptions, which I believe was by design.
Thankfully, even with their constant disruptions, the meat of this thread is potent. We need to solidify our ideas, design a strategy or strategies, and move on them...like DJ’s idea, for example.
It’s a VERY good idea. Most of us have been sending back their begging letters with witticisms in or on them, but we haven’t really written letters they would read.


1,937 posted on 11/28/2009 3:19:22 PM PST by MestaMachine (The First Thanksgiving was to THANK GOD, not the government. Thats my story and Im sticking to it)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I was hoping jimrob would show back up, maybe he got his fill of it last night. You guys are awesome...glad to be by your side.

Yes....same here. I was also hoping Jim Rob would show up again. Everybody has something to say to him though and I'll bet he has a hard time keeping up under such circumstances. I'm GLAD you are by my side! :-)
1,938 posted on 11/28/2009 3:22:19 PM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: XenaLee
My post was perfectly clear and reasoned. Newt either endorsed someone without knowing where they stood on issues or he checked and backed someone who supports card check, the big dollar stimulus and her dalliances with the far-left Working Families Party.

So do you believe that he backed someone without checking them? Or that he knew she's a lefty in disguise?

1,939 posted on 11/28/2009 3:22:58 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: XenaLee
I just want to find out the truth and the ‘why’. I’m funny that way.

Then go and search to your heart's content. Just don't ask anyone to do your work for you.

1,940 posted on 11/28/2009 3:23:43 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: XenaLee

I really liked Newt in the 90’s with the Contract for America. I’m just afraid he’s changed - gone native in DC.

We will see.

The GW ad with Pelousie really sickened me.


1,941 posted on 11/28/2009 3:24:12 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: MestaMachine; hiredhand; ~Kim4VRWC's~

I have certainly enjoyed finding others with the same opinions. And 2010 is coming. We need to make them hear us.


1,942 posted on 11/28/2009 3:26:10 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Ok. You’re talking in terms of ‘conservative leaders’ here.

You’re saying he should have done his homework on Dede, assuming that he didn’t. If he already knew Dede was a leftie, Newt’s not only not a conservative leader, that would make him a despicable McCainish RINO.

On the other hand, if he didn’t know but didn’t check, Newt’s not a conservative leader, IYO. But the question is....does the latter scenario make Newt a RINO?

Just trying to figure this out. If circumstances (unknown) can turn a perfectly great conservative into a RINO that easily...I’d like to know what those circumstances are. Point being, what’s too keep ANY of the so-called “”conservatives”” from transforming into RINOs that easily and quickly, if Newt could and did?

Now I’m really worried.


1,943 posted on 11/28/2009 3:26:49 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: DJ MacWoW

More Buckeyes and bullseyes BS. Unserious, disruptive posts to change the subject. Is there a texas contingent here who just likes disrupting threads with inanities continuously? Sure looks like it.


1,944 posted on 11/28/2009 3:26:59 PM PST by MestaMachine (The First Thanksgiving was to THANK GOD, not the government. Thats my story and Im sticking to it)
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To: MestaMachine
...and most of us on this thread have also been respectful of each other, with a couple notable exceptions, which I believe was by design.

Well, I admit to being somewhat disrespectful, but it wasn't by design; merely through frustration over a couple posters who used intimidation and condescension. I fully admit they got to me.

1,945 posted on 11/28/2009 3:28:20 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: bcsco
I can't criticize you! I'm ashamed of some things I've said to people before and a certain individual here in this thread tries to bring it out of me! Even so, I think that readers of this thread understand what's going to happen, and that's a GOOD thing.

Thanks again for the kind words about my posting. I hope people heed it!
1,946 posted on 11/28/2009 3:28:35 PM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: little jeremiah

Newt was definitely a hero back then. He championed conservative values and basically saved us from the Clintonistas.

What worries me is twofold. First, other than one female that has YET to announce that she’s even running, we conservatives HAVE no ‘real’ conservative leaders. At least, none that I’m aware of.

Second, what’s to keep ANY (or all) of them from going native in DC? Hell, I used to think that KBHutchison was conservative too. I would have sworn that she was. But not now.

We’re in deep, deep stuff.


1,947 posted on 11/28/2009 3:31:56 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: NoLibZone

Freepers have been banned pulling the Reagan was a RINO crap. Beware. And if you look up thread, you’ll see my comments on Reagan.


1,948 posted on 11/28/2009 3:31:58 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: XenaLee

I don’t want you to misunderstand, I loved Newt. I am deeply disappointed. What seems to happen is that people stay too long inside DC. It changes them. They lose touch with US and get cosier with THEM. Inside DC is a constant barrage of leftist crap. I sincerely believe that is what has happened.


1,949 posted on 11/28/2009 3:31:58 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

And the RINOs have Megan McCain leading the way for them.


1,950 posted on 11/28/2009 3:32:47 PM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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