Skip to comments.Sen. Snowe likely 60th vote for cloture on Senate Obamacare with abortion funding, public option
Posted on 12/07/2009 4:11:36 PM PST by pabianice
Per Fox. Title says it all. Gonna happen in time for Christmas. Gutless conservatives have been rightfully excluded from government.
The way to kill healthcare is to vote for cloture and then vote it down
I thought Ben Nelson was to introduce an amendment like the Stupak amendment in the house, and would not support the bill without it? Anyone know what Nelson has done on that?
And both Snowe and Lincoln said they’d oppose a government option. Are they hiding behind some trigger option game?
Lieberman also supposedly against any public option, and if he stands on that Reid must have all others Dims, Bernie Sanders and one RINO.
What about Baucus, Lieberman, Nelson, Lincoln?
There are at least three no’s when public option and abortion are included.
Told ya this was a done deal.
The fix is in. What we’re seeing now is just a little dance before the supposed Dem holdouts get their asking price and Snowe is conned into supporting the bill as a “legacy” to her bipartisanship. Maybe they’ll even put her name on the bill - Kennedy - Snowe anyone?
Seven Days In May.
Snowe was never a conservative. Who are you talking about? Hatch said earlier on Fox that all the Republicans are standing together against this bill - of course, it's hard to believe Snowe is a Republican, but still. . . What conservatives are you talking about?
I think that what we need to do, now that the abortion issue has become a part of this bill, is make this a referendum on abortion.
Debate-wise, the only strong card in the pro-abortionists’ hands when it comes to public opinion is the “Freedom of Choice” card. They argue that a woman should be free to do with her own body whatever she wants. As flawed as that argument is, let’s just say “fine” to that for a moment.
Abortion as a part of publicly-offered insurance is not a matter of choice. In fact, it strips away the choice of us who vehemently oppose abortion by making us pay for what we consider inherently and utterly immoral. A strong number of Americans oppose abortion. They might have been sweet-talked into accepting the public option but now this has become a moral issue. Even the Catholic Church now has a moral obligation to put pressure on both the public and upon senators to see that this doesn’t pass. We just have to act fast and focus on spotlighting the moral issues here.
Their insistence on the inclusion of abortion within this bill might very well be the entire bill’s undoing if we play our cards right.
I hereby vow to cease paying federal taxes the day this monstrosity is signed, for it shall invalidate the contract known as the Constitution and all ties to it.
I hope I am wronb but I bet I’m not!
YOU CAN NEVER TRUST OLYMPIA SNOWE to do what is good for the country. She WILL ALWAYS SELL HER SELF to the highest bidder, ALWAYS!
Perhaps a more relevant question is “What acts of non-violent civil disobedience would conservatives be willing to do, realizing that a liberal judge would throw the book at them”.
So this piece of crap passes..what if all those who are against this..that 70something % just flat refuse to pay taxes at all...how about the whole nation just telling the IRS to go to hell..
Somehow WE THE PEOPLE have to take the power away from this bunch of thugs in congress.
Brit friends are shocked at what is going on here despite the advice they have heard given against this. They wonder if there will be blood in the streets?
I can tell you with almost 100% certainty what is going to happen.
It will pass with the “nuclear option” of only 51 needed under reconciliation.
That way, they dont need all the Blue Dog votes who would suffer backlash if passed.
Didn’t Ben Nelson drop his anti Abortion amendment in the bill today? That’ll piss alot of hard core leftists off.
The question shouldn’t be what the colonists of 1776 would do in our shoes. They lived in different times and are now passed on.
The question is what we, the American Patriots of the 21st Century are going to do. We have men smart, wise, and zealous just like our founding fathers were. We have to make our own niche in history instead of trying to work derivatively off of those that came before us.
This is our time to carve our names in the annals of American history.
We are way past talking about partisanship/bi-partisanship and all that feeble political crap. Reality has caught up with us and we have a filthy Chicago-style Marxist gang in the Whitehouse that can buy-off or persuade anybody and any industry group with our money. Even so, the sheeple are too stupid to see this, let alone care about 0 not being bi-partisan. Don’t waste your energy pouncing.
If this is true, much of the blame can be laid at the feet of minority “leader” McConnell. By now, he should have gotten her aside and made sure she understood in no uncertain terms that if she betrays the GOP and sells out to Obama, she had better be prepared to join Arlen Iscariot in switching parties as well — because she will have no future left on the Republican side of the aisle.
But, unfortunately, testosterone is not McConnell’s strong suit.
With the public option I don’t think there are 50
We will have government run healthcare, not because Conservatives voted independently...but because republican party members voted for the RINO because they're not as bad as dems.
If it were not for the fact that it would be near impossible to salvage our Constitutional form of government once they push this through, I’d actually HOPE for them to use the nuclear option.
This is an awful piece of legislation that is going to serve to rally Americans against them in the years to come and the fact that they used the nuclear option to bypass legitimate debate on the matter would make them look worse than they would otherwise.
Sadly, the real world doesn’t work as it should on paper so I’m actually rather nervous they might try something arrogant and ill-advised as that. I think, however, with the inclusion of abortion in the bill we might have a chance of ramping up public pressure against the Senate if we focus on the fact that this isn’t the “Health Care for Everybody Bill” - it’s the “Free Abortions for Everybody Bill.”
I have to think that when we paint the matter in those terms that there are many in the public who might reconsider their support for this measure.
Now if we were in 1776 what would the colonists do??????
Something we are not allowed to discuss on FR.
Really? Maybe I haven’t been watching close enough. Examples please.
She probably isn’t planning to run again...hopefully! She is an embarrassement to herself.
Not everyone out there is sheeple. I firmly believe that there are lots of folks in this country who hold very conservative values yet have been hoodwinked by the hard left into not seeing how liberal policies run directly contrary to the best interests of this nation. I believe there are still many out there in this country that we can pull over to our cause if we’d simply take the time to properly educate them as to why they really do think like we do.
We are in a Civil War of Words and Ideas and it behooves us to give our best efforts in all aspects of this battle. Even when things look insurmountable, my Christian faith, that same Christian faith upon which this nation was built, informs me that I ought to keep faith in God and never give up trying. God always prevails where men can only fail.
I thought that before of other politicians ... but it didn’t stop them.
Embarrassment to you and me (normal average hard working Americans) is quite different ...
from greedy narcissistic back stabbing lying politicians ...
and that is on their good days.
where is the Fox News link ??????
Or is this another vanity !
Where is the Fox New article ??????
Where is it ???
Are we confused the abortion amendment vote ?
Not another damned dime to the RNC. Ever.
So now we know why she was summoned to the WH on Sunday...bet she sold out for less than Landrieu. Stupid XXXX.
Apparently, your god has favorites.
Where is the source.
I have not heard Fox News report anything like that today ??????
There is no mention on Fox website either ?
Civil disobedience, folks, civil disobedience.
My God most does indeed have favorites - the Bible’s full of favoritism. However, even perchance I am utterly wrong about God I still think we accomplish far more when we refuse to despair and continue in trying to fight the good fight than we can ever hope to do when we give up all hope. Even a purely materialistic view of history shows that upsets can happen when they are least expected; our National Independence stands as a testament to that fact. :-)
Tar and Feather ala 1774
In a typical tar-and-feathers attack, the subject of a crowd’s anger would be stripped to the waist. Hot tar was either poured or painted onto the person while he or she was immobilized. Then the victim either had feathers thrown on him or her or was rolled around on a pile of feathers so that they stuck to the tar. Often the victim was then paraded around town on a cart or a rail. The aim was to hurt and humiliate a person enough to leave town and not cause any more mischief.
Except that to those who are voting for it they know it isn't about "health care" at all. Control.
I just searched Fox News for Snowe...while she is dealing, it doesn’t say this is a done deal.
No means no. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
This post is a scam.
Fox has not reported anything about Snowe is now supporting the Public Option .
There is speculation about the abortion crap.
This post’s support is another link to another vanity which has no real media source.
Your post is crap.
Theres no stopping this. And youll be amazed how easily it will pass the Senate. A year from now, the attitude will be We got socialized medicine, and the world didnt end! Those demotards were right. 2010 will not be a bloodbath, people forget. And the ugly stuff doesnt hit until 2013, remember. That is deliberately planned.
The republic has been dying for decades; the ascension of Teleprompter Jesus is just the arrival of the minister for the funeral. Barry was right, the Nation Below Canada is no more exceptional than Greece or Turkey or Zimbabwe. The voters have seen to that.
Time to sack DC.
Let’s hope that “stretchin from lamp posts” or tar and feather and riding out of town on a rail are only perceived as violent by those on the receiveing end.
Get’s any more “touchy” than that and it’ll sound like we’ve been infiltrated.
Don’t care if she is up for election or not. She should be stripped of any seniority, loose her committee assignments and only be allowed to sit on the janitorial committee. Then again, janitors should have tons more respect and job importance than she. Let her clean toilets and put the janitors on her committees. At least they work honestly for a living.
Everyone I know from Maine is extremely liberal. She might be the most Conservative person in the State.
lose, not loose. Rented fingers.
Your open mindedness is appreciated. I’m ready for a real fight and willing to put skin in the game - more than just talk and my credit card number - if a leader comes forward.
The way to kill healthcare is to vote for cloture and then vote it down-————————————————————————
That’s crazy talk! It only takes 50 votes to pass it but 60 to get cloture. If they get cloture, they get it passed.
The Demonrats have all these devices like cloture and nuclear option. Have the Republicians no devices to stop them? None?
My point, too. Republicans bring a nerf bat to a gun fight. Incomprehensible.