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Sen. Snowe likely 60th vote for cloture on Senate Obamacare with abortion funding, public option
Fox news Channel | 12/7/09

Posted on 12/07/2009 4:11:36 PM PST by pabianice

Per Fox. Title says it all. Gonna happen in time for Christmas. Gutless conservatives have been rightfully excluded from government.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhoabortion; bhohealthcare; cloture; missinglink; snowe
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To: pabianice

The way to kill healthcare is to vote for cloture and then vote it down


51 posted on 12/07/2009 4:34:13 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: pabianice

I thought Ben Nelson was to introduce an amendment like the Stupak amendment in the house, and would not support the bill without it? Anyone know what Nelson has done on that?

And both Snowe and Lincoln said they’d oppose a government option. Are they hiding behind some trigger option game?

Lieberman also supposedly against any public option, and if he stands on that Reid must have all others Dims, Bernie Sanders and one RINO.


52 posted on 12/07/2009 4:35:39 PM PST by Will88
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To: pabianice

What about Baucus, Lieberman, Nelson, Lincoln?

There are at least three no’s when public option and abortion are included.


53 posted on 12/07/2009 4:37:06 PM PST by earlJam
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To: LS

LS wrote:
Told ya this was a done deal.

The fix is in. What we’re seeing now is just a little dance before the supposed Dem holdouts get their asking price and Snowe is conned into supporting the bill as a “legacy” to her bipartisanship. Maybe they’ll even put her name on the bill - Kennedy - Snowe anyone?


54 posted on 12/07/2009 4:37:58 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: WestSylvanian
How do we stop this madness?

Seven Days In May.

55 posted on 12/07/2009 4:38:04 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: pabianice
Gutless conservatives have been rightfully excluded from government.

Snowe was never a conservative. Who are you talking about? Hatch said earlier on Fox that all the Republicans are standing together against this bill - of course, it's hard to believe Snowe is a Republican, but still. . . What conservatives are you talking about?

56 posted on 12/07/2009 4:38:52 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: MWS

I think that what we need to do, now that the abortion issue has become a part of this bill, is make this a referendum on abortion.

Debate-wise, the only strong card in the pro-abortionists’ hands when it comes to public opinion is the “Freedom of Choice” card. They argue that a woman should be free to do with her own body whatever she wants. As flawed as that argument is, let’s just say “fine” to that for a moment.

Abortion as a part of publicly-offered insurance is not a matter of choice. In fact, it strips away the choice of us who vehemently oppose abortion by making us pay for what we consider inherently and utterly immoral. A strong number of Americans oppose abortion. They might have been sweet-talked into accepting the public option but now this has become a moral issue. Even the Catholic Church now has a moral obligation to put pressure on both the public and upon senators to see that this doesn’t pass. We just have to act fast and focus on spotlighting the moral issues here.

Their insistence on the inclusion of abortion within this bill might very well be the entire bill’s undoing if we play our cards right.


57 posted on 12/07/2009 4:38:54 PM PST by MWS
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To: pabianice

I hereby vow to cease paying federal taxes the day this monstrosity is signed, for it shall invalidate the contract known as the Constitution and all ties to it.


58 posted on 12/07/2009 4:39:59 PM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: HarleyD

I hope I am wronb but I bet I’m not!

YOU CAN NEVER TRUST OLYMPIA SNOWE to do what is good for the country. She WILL ALWAYS SELL HER SELF to the highest bidder, ALWAYS!


59 posted on 12/07/2009 4:40:50 PM PST by WellyP
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To: buccaneer81

Perhaps a more relevant question is “What acts of non-violent civil disobedience would conservatives be willing to do, realizing that a liberal judge would throw the book at them”.


60 posted on 12/07/2009 4:42:40 PM PST by JusPasenThru (Are you going to kiss me first?)
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To: thecabal

So this piece of crap passes..what if all those who are against this..that 70something % just flat refuse to pay taxes at all...how about the whole nation just telling the IRS to go to hell..
Somehow WE THE PEOPLE have to take the power away from this bunch of thugs in congress.
Brit friends are shocked at what is going on here despite the advice they have heard given against this. They wonder if there will be blood in the streets?


61 posted on 12/07/2009 4:43:18 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: pabianice

I can tell you with almost 100% certainty what is going to happen.

It will pass with the “nuclear option” of only 51 needed under reconciliation.

That way, they dont need all the Blue Dog votes who would suffer backlash if passed.

Anyone disagree?


62 posted on 12/07/2009 4:44:35 PM PST by neverbluffer (But,)
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To: cranked
You know, given the utter failure of Maine’s version of statewide healthcare, you would think that Snowe would seriously consider voting against this piece of garbage ObamaCare they are attempting and WILL shove down our collective throats.<>BR>
IMHO she is NOT casting a vote for Obamacare, she is voting for the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT - HE MUST HAVE THIS BILL OR HE GOES DOWN IN FLAMES AND SHE KNOWS IT. Chris Matthews said it all - it was his job to make sure THIS President succeeds. I am sure she has been threatened and bribed and even if she knows this bill is garbage it must be passed for the sake of saving this President.
63 posted on 12/07/2009 4:44:38 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: pabianice

Didn’t Ben Nelson drop his anti Abortion amendment in the bill today? That’ll piss alot of hard core leftists off.


64 posted on 12/07/2009 4:44:59 PM PST by PawtucketPatriot71 (Emanuel and Axlerod- The new generations Haldeman and Ehlichman)
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To: bert
The way to kill healthcare is to vote for cloture and then vote it down

6o votes v 50?
65 posted on 12/07/2009 4:45:41 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ronnie raygun

The question shouldn’t be what the colonists of 1776 would do in our shoes. They lived in different times and are now passed on.

The question is what we, the American Patriots of the 21st Century are going to do. We have men smart, wise, and zealous just like our founding fathers were. We have to make our own niche in history instead of trying to work derivatively off of those that came before us.

This is our time to carve our names in the annals of American history.


66 posted on 12/07/2009 4:46:13 PM PST by MWS
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To: MWS

We are way past talking about partisanship/bi-partisanship and all that feeble political crap. Reality has caught up with us and we have a filthy Chicago-style Marxist gang in the Whitehouse that can buy-off or persuade anybody and any industry group with our money. Even so, the sheeple are too stupid to see this, let alone care about 0 not being bi-partisan. Don’t waste your energy pouncing.


67 posted on 12/07/2009 4:49:28 PM PST by balls (Never again in 2010 -- Let's throw the bums out!)
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To: pabianice

If this is true, much of the blame can be laid at the feet of minority “leader” McConnell. By now, he should have gotten her aside and made sure she understood in no uncertain terms that if she betrays the GOP and sells out to Obama, she had better be prepared to join Arlen Iscariot in switching parties as well — because she will have no future left on the Republican side of the aisle.

But, unfortunately, testosterone is not McConnell’s strong suit.


68 posted on 12/07/2009 4:50:08 PM PST by hampdenkid
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To: Cheerio

With the public option I don’t think there are 50


69 posted on 12/07/2009 4:51:25 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: pabianice; MestaMachine; EternalVigilance; Moonmad27; Cold Heat; Conservativegreatgrandma; ...
This is the danger of voting RINO simply because there is an (R) after their name. This is the fallacy of saving the seat with an R in it. These are not little trade-offs being made by RINOs, these are democrat moles within the Republican Party.

We will have government run healthcare, not because Conservatives voted independently...but because republican party members voted for the RINO because they're not as bad as dems.

70 posted on 12/07/2009 4:54:13 PM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: neverbluffer

If it were not for the fact that it would be near impossible to salvage our Constitutional form of government once they push this through, I’d actually HOPE for them to use the nuclear option.

This is an awful piece of legislation that is going to serve to rally Americans against them in the years to come and the fact that they used the nuclear option to bypass legitimate debate on the matter would make them look worse than they would otherwise.

Sadly, the real world doesn’t work as it should on paper so I’m actually rather nervous they might try something arrogant and ill-advised as that. I think, however, with the inclusion of abortion in the bill we might have a chance of ramping up public pressure against the Senate if we focus on the fact that this isn’t the “Health Care for Everybody Bill” - it’s the “Free Abortions for Everybody Bill.”

I have to think that when we paint the matter in those terms that there are many in the public who might reconsider their support for this measure.


71 posted on 12/07/2009 4:55:20 PM PST by MWS
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To: niteowl77

Now if we were in 1776 what would the colonists do??????
Something we are not allowed to discuss on FR.

Really? Maybe I haven’t been watching close enough. Examples please.


72 posted on 12/07/2009 4:56:16 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: K-oneTexas

She probably isn’t planning to run again...hopefully! She is an embarrassement to herself.


73 posted on 12/07/2009 5:00:24 PM PST by lonestar (Obama and his czars have turned Bush's "mess" into a national crisis!)
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To: balls

Not everyone out there is sheeple. I firmly believe that there are lots of folks in this country who hold very conservative values yet have been hoodwinked by the hard left into not seeing how liberal policies run directly contrary to the best interests of this nation. I believe there are still many out there in this country that we can pull over to our cause if we’d simply take the time to properly educate them as to why they really do think like we do.

We are in a Civil War of Words and Ideas and it behooves us to give our best efforts in all aspects of this battle. Even when things look insurmountable, my Christian faith, that same Christian faith upon which this nation was built, informs me that I ought to keep faith in God and never give up trying. God always prevails where men can only fail.


74 posted on 12/07/2009 5:00:29 PM PST by MWS
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To: lonestar

I thought that before of other politicians ... but it didn’t stop them.

Embarrassment to you and me (normal average hard working Americans) is quite different ...

from greedy narcissistic back stabbing lying politicians ...

and that is on their good days.


75 posted on 12/07/2009 5:08:05 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: bert

where is the Fox News link ??????
Or is this another vanity !


76 posted on 12/07/2009 5:09:44 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: pabianice

Where is the Fox New article ??????
Where is it ???

Are we confused the abortion amendment vote ?


77 posted on 12/07/2009 5:11:23 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: Kenny

Not another damned dime to the RNC. Ever.


78 posted on 12/07/2009 5:11:34 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: pabianice

So now we know why she was summoned to the WH on Sunday...bet she sold out for less than Landrieu. Stupid XXXX.


79 posted on 12/07/2009 5:17:23 PM PST by SueRae
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To: MWS

Apparently, your god has favorites.


80 posted on 12/07/2009 5:18:54 PM PST by balls (Never again in 2010 -- Let's throw the bums out!)
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To: bert
Is this a scam ???

Where is the source.

I have not heard Fox News report anything like that today ??????

There is no mention on Fox website either ?

81 posted on 12/07/2009 5:20:27 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: pabianice

Civil disobedience, folks, civil disobedience.


82 posted on 12/07/2009 5:29:00 PM PST by Walrus (My congressman is toast in 2010 --- how about yours?)
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To: balls

My God most does indeed have favorites - the Bible’s full of favoritism. However, even perchance I am utterly wrong about God I still think we accomplish far more when we refuse to despair and continue in trying to fight the good fight than we can ever hope to do when we give up all hope. Even a purely materialistic view of history shows that upsets can happen when they are least expected; our National Independence stands as a testament to that fact. :-)


83 posted on 12/07/2009 5:33:19 PM PST by MWS
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To: dusttoyou

Tar and Feather ala 1774

In a typical tar-and-feathers attack, the subject of a crowd’s anger would be stripped to the waist. Hot tar was either poured or painted onto the person while he or she was immobilized. Then the victim either had feathers thrown on him or her or was rolled around on a pile of feathers so that they stuck to the tar. Often the victim was then paraded around town on a cart or a rail. The aim was to hurt and humiliate a person enough to leave town and not cause any more mischief.


84 posted on 12/07/2009 5:37:32 PM PST by PilotDave (America; nice while it lasted... I miss it already.)
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To: cranked
You know, given the utter failure of Maine’s version of statewide healthcare, you would think that Snowe would seriously consider voting against this piece of garbage ObamaCare they are attempting and WILL shove down our collective throats.

Except that to those who are voting for it they know it isn't about "health care" at all. Control.

85 posted on 12/07/2009 5:44:20 PM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: pabianice; All

I just searched Fox News for Snowe...while she is dealing, it doesn’t say this is a done deal.


86 posted on 12/07/2009 5:58:15 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: dusttoyou
"Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

No means no. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Mr. niteowl77

87 posted on 12/07/2009 6:06:41 PM PST by niteowl77 (You wanted him, and now you have got him. I say, "Good day to you," America.)
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To: HarleyD

This post is a scam.

Fox has not reported anything about Snowe is now supporting the Public Option .

There is speculation about the abortion crap.

This post’s support is another link to another vanity which has no real media source.


88 posted on 12/07/2009 6:14:11 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: pabianice

Your post is crap.


89 posted on 12/07/2009 6:27:50 PM PST by Chunga (Any IDIOT who says Obama would be better for the country than McCain is a disgrace - Mark Levin)
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To: muawiyah

Or 1773.


90 posted on 12/07/2009 6:38:30 PM PST by Salamander (I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.....)
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To: pabianice

There’s no stopping this. And you’ll be amazed how easily it will pass the Senate. A year from now, the attitude will be “We got socialized medicine, and the world didn’t end! Those demotards were right.” 2010 will not be a bloodbath, people forget. And the ugly stuff doesn’t hit until 2013, remember. That is deliberately planned.

The republic has been dying for decades; the ascension of Teleprompter Jesus is just the arrival of the minister for the funeral. Barry was right, the Nation Below Canada is no more exceptional than Greece or Turkey or Zimbabwe. The voters have seen to that.

Time to sack DC.


91 posted on 12/07/2009 6:40:11 PM PST by roses of sharon (A warrior assumes that he is already dead, so he might as well fight.)
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To: niteowl77

Let’s hope that “stretchin from lamp posts” or tar and feather and riding out of town on a rail are only perceived as violent by those on the receiveing end.

Get’s any more “touchy” than that and it’ll sound like we’ve been infiltrated.


92 posted on 12/07/2009 6:50:40 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: Brilliant

Don’t care if she is up for election or not. She should be stripped of any seniority, loose her committee assignments and only be allowed to sit on the janitorial committee. Then again, janitors should have tons more respect and job importance than she. Let her clean toilets and put the janitors on her committees. At least they work honestly for a living.


93 posted on 12/07/2009 6:52:52 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: K-oneTexas

Everyone I know from Maine is extremely liberal. She might be the most Conservative person in the State.


94 posted on 12/07/2009 6:55:23 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Mom MD

lose, not loose. Rented fingers.


95 posted on 12/07/2009 6:58:23 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: MWS

Your open mindedness is appreciated. I’m ready for a real fight and willing to put skin in the game - more than just talk and my credit card number - if a leader comes forward.


96 posted on 12/07/2009 7:14:02 PM PST by balls (Never again in 2010 -- Let's throw the bums out!)
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To: bert

The way to kill healthcare is to vote for cloture and then vote it down-————————————————————————

That’s crazy talk! It only takes 50 votes to pass it but 60 to get cloture. If they get cloture, they get it passed.


97 posted on 12/08/2009 12:41:28 AM PST by dixjea
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To: pabianice

The Demonrats have all these devices like cloture and nuclear option. Have the Republicians no devices to stop them? None?


98 posted on 12/08/2009 6:09:32 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: celtic gal
I do find myself wondering what the storm on the White House and Congress is going to look like, however.

Bloody.

99 posted on 12/08/2009 6:13:18 AM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: hampdenkid

My point, too. Republicans bring a nerf bat to a gun fight. Incomprehensible.


100 posted on 12/08/2009 6:42:28 AM PST by pabianice
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