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Climate talks set for failure as China dampens hopes
The Australian ^ | December 18, 2009 | Lenore Taylor

Posted on 12/17/2009 4:29:04 PM PST by kingattax

BLOCKING tactics by China and the developing world have brought the Copenhagen climate talks to the brink of collapse, leaving more than 140 world leaders facing the prospect of achieving only a weak political statement. The only hope for a deal, according to negotiators, were signs of splits in the powerful negotiating bloc of the G77 and China - with complaints that China, India, Brazil, South Africa and Pakistan were taking too hard a line and jeopardising the entire talks.

An unnamed Chinese official has told Reuters that the Chinese are now suggesting the meeting conclude with only "a short political declaration of some sort" but it was not clear what that declaration would say.

Such an outcome would represent comprehensive failure at the hugely anticipated meeting, attended by 45,000 people.

US President Barack Obama has called for an "operational accord", which most developed nations believe would be a stronger political agreement that would pledge legally binding treaties for all major emitters by a specified date.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; climategate; enviromarxism; rodneykingscience

1 posted on 12/17/2009 4:29:04 PM PST by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Did ANYONE really think China was going to let this thing go through? LMAO. Ditto India. FUBO. FUAG.


2 posted on 12/17/2009 4:30:30 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: kingattax

Well it’s not like it’s a fraud or anything — Naw, being a fraud, heck that hardly slowed down the ‘world leaders’.

Take note, it’s not often you see an American president support a provable fraud. It takes a certain type.


3 posted on 12/17/2009 4:32:12 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Better yet...did you think that 77 morons equipped with 10x that in staff could possibly agree on anything? Not even lunch!


4 posted on 12/17/2009 4:38:13 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: kingattax

These “delegates” not only all flew to this “conference” they also printed out whole forests worth of worthless stacks of paper to pile up on the tables in their display stations. They are all hideous beyond belief.


5 posted on 12/17/2009 4:44:56 PM PST by samtheman
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To: kingattax; grey_whiskers; IrishCatholic; Darnright; Entrepreneur; livius; DollyCali; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

6 posted on 12/17/2009 4:46:23 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: kingattax

BLOCKING tactics by China and the developing world have brought the Copenhagen climate talks to the brink of collapse,

YAYYYYYYY!


7 posted on 12/17/2009 4:46:49 PM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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To: kingattax

Real Leadership would call for a World Wide Boycott of Chinese Goods.!!!!!


8 posted on 12/17/2009 4:48:15 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: kingattax
BLOCKING tactics by China and the developing world have brought the Copenhagen climate talks to the brink of collapse, leaving more than 140 world leaders facing the prospect of achieving only a weak political statement.

LOLOLOLOL.

Left with making weak political statements. I so pray.

9 posted on 12/17/2009 4:52:42 PM PST by onyx
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To: kingattax; grey_whiskers
BLOCKING tactics by China

What, did they make the UN clerk read the text of the proposal on the floor in accordance with parliamentary procedure?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

10 posted on 12/17/2009 5:08:43 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian; Jeff Head
I'll be serious for once.

China's over a barrel.

Their economy (despite appearances) is doing poorly: they have re-emerging stock and real-estate bubbles.

They have X trillion in cash, but unfortunately most of those are U.S. dollars.

And they are committed to huge infrastructure outlays, in addition to modernizing their military.

To do all these things takes money.

But China's wealth does not come from producing things: it comes from producing things for the United States.

And we are in a recession : partly cyclical, partly the reaction to a credit-fueled artificial boom (the powers that be decided it was worthwhile to shift all basic production to China and India, make profits off of wage arbitrage, and line their pockets with borrowed dollars).

Not to mention the recession caused by business freezing up in response to the Obama-led legislative intiatives.

The net result is, we're buying MUCH LESS crap from China.

The textbook answer would be for the world economy to reach a new equilibrium point, with a much lower standard of living in the US and a somewhat higher one in China, as China became the low-cost producer for both its people and ours.

But politically, the rulers in China cannot let the happen for the masses, lest they enjoy the taste of economic freedom, and then seek political freedom. And the masses are the very ones whose standard of living must increase for China to develop its economy sustainably.

So they are forced to do a lot of Potemkin village developments, kind of like a Chinese WPA crossed with international bling. But that will only go so far, as their coffers are not being infinitely replenished by the US.

So China doesn't want to push us the *REST* of the way off of the cliff by insisting on crushing environmental regulations; and there is always the chance that some Euroweenie will notice that China's CO2 emissions now are greater than the US (and their unit of GDP per unit of CO2 is five times ours: they rely on less efficient technology, and on more factory-intensive efforts for their GDP).

But in the meantime they're not above pushing hard on a number of unrelated areas to find Obama's weak points, or just to accumulate bargaining chips for later.

But they have other problems, too, such as massive pollution, loss of potable water, and a rapidly aging population without a safety net.

I greatly fear that the dictators there will end up relying on the dictator's old standby to rally support when their utopia is falling apart: military adventurism.

God knows they are racist enough, from posts I have seen: so look out New Zealand, Australia, Japan, Russia, and maybe Canada (fresh water, sparsely populated).

But to do that, they have to develop a tested military force large enough to keep *us* out of the picture, while screwing ours.

COTS technology, civilian sourcing of Pentagon components, espionage (with the carrot of a market of a billion people if you just give us your latest technology for free when we can't steal it), and the election of the traitor Clinton and the Muslim Marxist Mole helping greatly in this regard.

Your mileage may vary: FReeper Jeff Head always is a good source of info on China.

Cheers!

11 posted on 12/17/2009 10:59:43 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
...But China's wealth does not come from producing things: it comes from producing things for the United States....

Dude, that was an *outstanding* post.

You should turn that into an article for American Thinker or Cato, and then turn it into a book.

Mega-kudos.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

12 posted on 12/18/2009 6:51:59 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: grey_whiskers; The Comedian

Amen!


13 posted on 12/19/2009 7:26:09 PM PST by mrreaganaut (Sticks and stones may break my bones, but lawyer jokes are actionable.)
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