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The whole article is worth a read but anyone not drinking the liberal kool-aid can figure out what's really at play here. The lefties are starting to redefine death (just as they try to redefine life in abortion cases) to excuse killing people for convenience.

Right now it is for organ donation. But can there be any doubt that, once the precedent is set and accepted, the progressives won't be using these rules to decide who lives and who dies under Obamacare?

1 posted on 12/20/2009 7:09:11 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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All I have to say is, I’m GLAD I had my cardiac arrest last year. If I have another one once government controlled health care becomes the law of the land, well...nice knowing you all.


2 posted on 12/20/2009 7:11:42 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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Here come the enlightened to redefine life and death.


3 posted on 12/20/2009 7:14:50 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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I haven’t read the entire article but the headline is scary enough to make me want to rip the ‘donor’ sticker off of my driver’s license.


4 posted on 12/20/2009 7:15:24 AM PST by redheadtoo
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This is precisely why Mrs. Submareener and I are no longer organ donors! We want to use our until we are really dead.


5 posted on 12/20/2009 7:16:37 AM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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If “Cardiac Arrest” is the new criteria for the declaration of the cessation of life, this will put all the Cardiac Doctors, Defibrulator Companies, and First Responders out of business./sarc.


6 posted on 12/20/2009 7:17:10 AM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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When the State says it does, silly.


7 posted on 12/20/2009 7:17:44 AM PST by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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Death starts at the moment of conception. Clearly there are many difficult issues to be resolved in end of life decisions, so it is important to have a disinterested panel of government experts weighing the quality of life/lives not worth living along the continuum.


9 posted on 12/20/2009 7:25:39 AM PST by sphinx
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“ORGANS” are a multi-billion dollar industry...a cash cow - and YOU and I are the source of parts.

I think they already have changed to having the right to
‘harvest’ you even if you don't have a ‘donor card’. They now ‘assume’ you're okay with it unless you have “NO” card in your pocket.

IF they don't have to have a “DONOR” card, they can ignore anything to the contrary. We'd be smart to have a huge notice in our medical records, our pockets and a signed/notarized notice with our family on our wishes.

Here we are at a time when it's proven that coma patients and ‘brain dead’ patients can come through it, given time for the body to recoup. ‘Brain dead’ is a phony diagnosis invented to be able to harvest organs while still viable.

And a ‘living will’ does NOT protect like we think. YOu might want to look into “My Will to Live” rather that the ‘Living Will.”

http://www.nrlc.org/euthanasia/willtolive/QAWTL.html

11 posted on 12/20/2009 7:30:00 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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I made it through page 2, until I read the statement that mistakes in the brain dead classification were “potentionally tragic, but extremely rare”... Really? Potentionally - as in, might be??

God help us.

Very important post, and I will go back and finish reading it, but it will have to be in bits and pieces.

Tatt


13 posted on 12/20/2009 7:33:24 AM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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” . . . the part of the brain where desires, fears and hopes are created — was irreversibly damaged.”

The brain is a mechanism that can be used by the soul. Desires, fears, and hopes are never “created” by the brain; these are functions of the soul.

Man is a living soul-—that is not part of the physical being, but the spiritual side. The body is merely a tent; a covering. A soul is an individual (hence, desires, fears, hopes, etc.) The spirit is like wind (pneumas) (Genesis 1 & 2)

We can see the body; the tent. The soul may be called our “ghost,” and it has a bodily shape, and is spoken of in the Scripture as having bodily parts. The rich man in Luke 16 lifted up his EYES in hell, and asked Abraham to send Lazaraus to put water on his TONGUE. That is a SOUL (and he is still there!); his body was placed in a grave somewhere.

The soul is not in the cranium. The brain is used by the soul as a processing device, but the brain does not “create” personal attributes.


16 posted on 12/20/2009 7:42:33 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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I believe this will reduce the amount of folks signing the back of a drivers license or even stay on or sign up for an organ donor program...

It may develop into folks signing up for refusals to donate organs in any situation or condition...

Which may be what the liberal statists want in the first place...

This is going to reuire a little more study...


17 posted on 12/20/2009 7:54:40 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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Let’s try this blood replacement deal! How about on New York Times writers? editors? They’ll just love that saline solution.


19 posted on 12/20/2009 7:56:08 AM PST by RossA
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Organleggers


20 posted on 12/20/2009 8:00:55 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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I was offered a Lung transplant from the VA, about 6 months ago. Which I felt I could not go thru do to deterioting Health. My Doctor left unexpectly. The new Doctor I saw a couple weeks ago said I would not take a Flu shot so they would check my Lungs in a Year. They were checking them every 3 months. And I would not be having any more breathing test either. Its a good thing I belive in a Higher Power in control of my life. My Wife said welcome to the new health care. They will make the choices not you.


21 posted on 12/20/2009 8:09:27 AM PST by easternsky
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The Germans may have lost World War II, but there’s no doubt in my mind that the Nazis won.


24 posted on 12/20/2009 8:18:30 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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“When does death start?”

Uh, as soon as one develops conservative values?


25 posted on 12/20/2009 8:20:09 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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It is coming to this..


26 posted on 12/20/2009 8:35:50 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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When does death start?

When one becomes a liberal.


29 posted on 12/20/2009 8:41:26 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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At birth and, for the pro-aborts, often BEFORE.


32 posted on 12/20/2009 8:54:24 AM PST by Dick Bachert (THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES! BE THERE!!!)
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Heck we can become just like China in that regard, strip people of organs at will.

Opens up a whole new industry, theft of life


38 posted on 12/20/2009 9:20:23 AM PST by longun45 (Still think a revolution cannot happen here? It's coming and gaining speed.)
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