What IS it about MORMON members that they CANNOT tell the difference between
showing the heresy of their chosen religion
and HATE for an indivdual?
Posted on 12/26/2009 1:06:10 PM PST by Colofornian
Ah! So because the founding fathers thought slavery was cool, we need to toss out that suspect constitution.
I still cant find the veiled Mormonism that this woman is opposing. [AppyPappy]
Hey, when an author deliberately covers up Lds prophet David O. McKays title when quoting him (p. 294 of 7 habits) calling him merely a religious leader, then, yes, thats veiling Mormonism. When you cite someone positively without qualifiers, youre basically telling the reader these are mighty fine people to read and Covey did the same in quoting Ezra Taft Benson in the book. (Benson was also an Lds prophet of course, NOT idd as such by Cover-up Covey). Covey also quotes another Mormon leader, N. Eldon Tanner.
Also Covey recommends daily prayerful meditation on what he focuses on the Mormon scriptures on p. 292. (Only, he leaves out the Mormon reference; hence, tis veiled)
I was introduced to this book through work years ago, I had no idea who Covey but as I read it, my inner radar screamed something is not right about this....I later found out Covey was a Mormon. Not a bad book,but it does reek of Mormon good works [ThisLittleLightofMine]
Nothing in the 7 habits book struck me as Mormomist, either explicitly or implicitly You could be a person of any faith and apply these simple practices that are more for focusing on good habits. [TradicalRC]
So, when a MORMON author cites three MORMON leaders in a book (Benson, McKay, Tanner), nothing explicitly MORMON jumps right out atcha? (OK)
I have been through the 7 habits, and found them to be very useful in the management of people. I found nothing theological about it, it is mostly philosophical. I will admit, though, several participants claimed to see veiled Mormonism [Hoosier Hick]
Well, as mentioned above, when a Mormon author cites Mormon leaders without telling readers they are Mormon, then, yes, thats a deliberate exclusion of the word Mormon/Lds, etc.
As far as supposedly nothing theological about it, then ya wanna explain, Hoosier Hick, why Covey...
...has 5 references in the index about spiritual components? (Upward spiral of spiritual renewal; spiritual dimension in renewal)
...mentions the Mormon god on p. 319 & the Mormon lord on p. 309?
...recommends daily prayerful meditation on the Mormon Scriptures? (p. 292)
...claims that intrinsic security comes from within
correct principles deep in your mind and heart
Peace of mind comes when your life is in harmony with true principles and values and in no other way.?? (p. 298)
Well, that sounds pretty exclusive. But you know, principles/values can be impersonal -- in contrast to even principles/values derived from a personal God. True peace comes from trusting God (Isaiah 26:3) and being in harmony in RELATIONSHIP with Him! (It's not "pocketing" all the correct principles)
In Covey's book, I see few references to God or relating to Him. Instead, He places the emphasis on correct principles (pp. 295, 305, 309, numerous others), which is thoroughly Joseph Smith, who was big-time "principle" this and "principle" that...
Covey also claims a theology that wealth-power comes from within vs. the God who transcends us. (When you understand that Mormon authors think of themselves as gods-in-embryo, then of course, YOU are the power-generator).
Do you boycott his programs and books because hes a Mormon? [Saundra Duffy]
OK, again, lets address what THE root issue was in this story:
A CHRISTIAN woman woman objected to her kids, who are still immature in their spiritual discernment, from being subjected to...
...MORMON philosophy...
...under the guise of CHRISTIAN curricula.
So, if a CHRISTIAN school doesnt carry MORMON-produced material, are you now joining the Deseret News/Mormon Times chorus that CHRISTIANS are boycotting MORMON materials? Really? (So, when LDS bookstores dont carry CHRISTIAN published materials, so theyre boycotting CHRISTIANS? Are you consistent in holding that position?)
So, Saundra do you also object to PARENTS having the right to oversee what spiritual materials their kids will be force-fed @ school?
So, when a MORMON author cites three MORMON leaders in a book (Benson, McKay, Tanner), nothing explicitly MORMON jumps right out atcha? (OK)
Yeah. Something is not MORMON simply because a MORMON said it. For example, they use the phrase Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So by your reckoning the name Jesus must be a Mormon thing and if you don't tell people that Mormons talk about Jesus then THAT's covert Mormonism!
Right.
Amazing!
I think Beck would be quite surprised to learn much of what Mormonism teaches. He would see right through the fraud of Jopseph Smith.
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Possibly. He may already know or not care. He believes the LDS church has helped him with his alcohol addiction and far too many LDS stay in the church, even knowing the true history and doctrines for family/social/cultural reasons or becuase they believe that it is still “the best thing going”.
He may fear that the church is the only thing keeping him sober.
It seems that you need MORE than this...
There are Mormon sports stars. Do you refuse to watch them play?
Im sure there are many Mormon businesses in the world. Do you boycott them?
Are these folks PUSHIUNG their MORMONism?
What IS it about MORMON members that they CANNOT tell the difference between
showing the heresy of their chosen religion
and HATE for an indivdual?
Hell!
You're more familiar than most MORMONS!!!
Hell!
You're more familiar than most MORMONS!!!
He is, ahem, a bit outspoken!!
Are you a RomanCatholic?
Sticking up for the MORMON religious Organization?
HELLO!
We CHANGED our laws to eliminate slavery: the MORMON Organization has changed NOTHING about the fact that the Restored Gospel® cannot be found in the Book of MORMON.
"There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.No, I don't.The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)
You are obviously unfamiliar with the LDS practice (doctrine even) of “lying for the Lord”. This means, that to them, it is ok to lie, deceive, obscure, or omit things in order to further the LDS church as an organization.
Covey’s book uses deception by veiling LDS quotes and principles so that they are more palatable and therefore do not raise any red flags for the reader.
You’re more familiar than most MORMONS!!!
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I am beginning to realize that.
Everyone should watch “September Dawn” and read “Red Water”, too. I lost family members in that attack and I still can’t get over the irony of the date: 9/11.
Same old, same old. Again, I ask you. Do you boycott Glenn Beck’s programs and books because he is a Mormon?
Do you refuse to follow football because Steve Young, quarterback for the 49ers, is a Mormon?
Would you refuse to listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, even though President Reagan referred to them as “America’s Choir”?
Do you think that BYU should be squashed, even though they provide a first-class education?
Do you think that starving people all over the world should refuse help from the Mormons?
Like I said, this is sooooo sad - that this thread deteriorated into a Mormon bashing exercise.
I love my Church. Steven Covey is a great man - he is actually famous and well thought of by good people all over the world. I doubt most people even know he is a Mormon. When I joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints I had heard of Steven Covey and had great respect for the man. Then I learned he was a Mormon.
It is crazy to condemn a good man who has done so much good in the world like this. It stinks.
Knock it off.
Do you think that BYU should be squashed, even though they provide a first-class education?
Wouldn't really call it "first class" but I suppose it depends upon your major (and yes, I went there). As one of my grad advisors (History) said "You went to BYU? I wouldn't put that on my CV."
Would you refuse to listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, even though President Reagan referred to them as Americas Choir?
Didn't like the MoTab when I was LDS, so yeah I refuse to listen to them.
Do you boycott Glenn Becks programs and books because he is a Mormon?
Actually I do. I don't knowingly give any money to anyone who will pay tithing to the LDS.
Do you refuse to follow football because Steve Young, quarterback for the 49ers, is a Mormon?
Is he still quarterbacking? I haven't watched football in years
Glenn Beck is a phony fawning wannabe who is working much too hard to do the work that has been done by Rush and Levin. His true colors show on occasion as he sucks up to the Mormon Royalty types when he himself has no chance of being one of them. He doesn't even realize that he as a n00b convert will always be an outsider from that Speshul Group.
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