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Metal Detectors Useless in Finding Powerful Explosive PETN (Fox News in on the excuse making)
Fox News ^ | 12/28/2009 | Fox News

Posted on 12/28/2009 1:14:17 PM PST by tobyhill

The man who authorities say strapped a highly powerful explosive to his torso and tried to detonate it in midair never would have gotten aboard the plane if a different security detector had been used when he boarded the flight, security experts and officials say.

"Puffer" machines, full-body imaging scanners, a simple frisk or bomb-sniffing dogs all would likely have detected the chemical explosive PETN, experts say. But Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the 23-year-old Nigerian suspected of trying to blow up Northwest Flight 253 on Christmas Day, encountered none of those deterrents when he traveled from Nigeria to Amsterdam and ultimately to Detroit.

Abdulmutallab may likely have passed through a magnetometer, the conventional metal detector used at most airports. It's a sophisticated a device that detects firearms, box-cutters, belt buckles and nail clippers — but it's useless in finding a small amount of powder capable of bringing down an airliner packed with passengers.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abdulmutallab; cavitysearch; petn
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1 posted on 12/28/2009 1:14:17 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Really, well then perhaps every last muslim that wants be on a plane should be stripped searched then cavity searched then, huh?


2 posted on 12/28/2009 1:16:58 PM PST by chris37
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To: tobyhill

He also wouldn’t have made it on the plane if they required passports, or if the government took watch lists seriously, or even if we simply barred Muslims from getting on planes until they can demonstrate they don’t want to kill us. But, instead, the government will support more hassles for the rest of us, and not talk about the elephant in the room.


3 posted on 12/28/2009 1:17:01 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: tobyhill

uh....we pretty much assumed they were worthless for finding anything not made out of metal


4 posted on 12/28/2009 1:18:29 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: tobyhill

Hmmmm... Well, I would not call that “excuse making.” Basically, what they are doing is pointing out that the government is not doing enough.


5 posted on 12/28/2009 1:19:48 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Buckeye McFrog
thus the name “Metal Detector”.
6 posted on 12/28/2009 1:20:14 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

How is their looking further into the matter making excuses? I haven’t heard any other news bureau pursuing the matter...


7 posted on 12/28/2009 1:21:09 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Brilliant

I don’t even know why they’re all yapping about metal detectors when this terrorist should have never got beyond the ticket counter.


8 posted on 12/28/2009 1:22:08 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

There are perfectly good chemical sniffers that will detect PETN. When I visited, I couldn’t lock a bag in a locker at a train station in the UK without them sticking a sniffer in the back to check it.


9 posted on 12/28/2009 1:22:41 PM PST by Little Ray (Cheney / Norris in 2012!)
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To: theDentist

Because they barely make mention of the fact he shouldn’t have been allowed a ticket.


10 posted on 12/28/2009 1:23:14 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Well, I consider the 'full-body' imaging scanners as an invasion of privacy as well as a potential health hazard. They have been explained to me as a millimeter wave imaging system (RF) that is supposedly safe. Safe to me has different meanings: 'government' safe?, 'doctor' safe? 'lawyer' safe?. The point of this is that I've been involved with RF my entire adult life and I have come to the conclusion that the less there is of the short distance exposure to it (the 1/R^2 thing, you know), the better.

I have been told you have the right to a physical pat-down inspection - which is what I'll demand when told I need to be 'imaged' by one of these scanners.

11 posted on 12/28/2009 1:23:32 PM PST by Gaffer
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Metal Detectors Useless in Finding Powerful Explosive PETN

Much like gubmint "employees," ... aren't they.

12 posted on 12/28/2009 1:24:57 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: tobyhill

The recent string of terror incidents shows that Obama’s chickens are coming home to roost.


13 posted on 12/28/2009 1:25:44 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Little Ray
Exactly. It was not equipment failure, it was human error. At the very, very, very least, he should have been screened more extensively.
14 posted on 12/28/2009 1:26:22 PM PST by tobyhill
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Metal Detectors Useless in Finding Powerful Explosive PETN...

Wow! What a news flash! I mean, who COULD have predicted that non-metallic substances can't be found using metal detectors?

15 posted on 12/28/2009 1:26:49 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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Wouldn’t the sniffer dogs be able to detect explosives? And, besides, it’d really irritate the Moslems.


16 posted on 12/28/2009 1:27:24 PM PST by Will88
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Any of the 550,000 people on the terrorist watch list should be required to go through puffer machines and face additional pat downs and intense questioning.

Instead, the PC police are going to randomly send grandma through the puffer machine, interrogate little Sally, and pat down nuns, while the jihadists pass, in the name of "fairness".

17 posted on 12/28/2009 1:27:24 PM PST by magellan
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If it gets too inconvenient for them to get through checkouts...they’ll go after different targets with different tools like Hassan did at Ft. Hood....like the Terrorists did in London..etc, etc


18 posted on 12/28/2009 1:28:10 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: tobyhill

So then, to protect ourselves we have to block entry to ALL the inhabitants of jihadi-infested countries, and kick out all who are already here.


19 posted on 12/28/2009 1:28:36 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Death Cult: world-domination blood cult cleverly disguised as a religion.)
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To: tobyhill

The ONLY answer to this security threat is for EVERY airline passenger to be cryogenically frozen prior to take-off, then thawed on arrival.

It’s a win-win for evryone. The airlines can make more money because they can stack passengers in the planes like cord-wood. They’ll also need fewer flight attendants.

And the passengers don’t have to worry about getting “blowed up” by some wacko during their flight.

;-)


20 posted on 12/28/2009 1:30:21 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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