Posted on 01/20/2010 9:50:36 AM PST by EternalVigilance
Wednesday, January 20, 2010
(Excerpt) Read more at loyaltoliberty.com ...
When Alan Keyes can run in a statewide election and get more than 39 percent of the vote, get back to us.
Thank you well said.
“A real conservative like...Alan Keyes?”
Precisely, and sarcasm is not reasoned rebuttal.
“The magnitude of this win in Mass. is enormous, and only a Scott Brown could have pulled it off.”
I don’t think that’s true at all. I only approved of him because I thought, in my ignorance, that he was a real conservative. I’ll wager I’m not the only one, either.
He won by running as a real conservative, not as a RINO, which means that a real conservative could have won, mutatis mutandis.
“We may have stopped this horrible health care bill and no telling what future Obama policies.”
Yes, but what good does that do us in the long run if we elect representatives like Brown who are “opposed to the health care legislation that is under consideration in the Congress...” (Note the qualifier: He opposes this bill, but not the concept.) ...but who agree with Brown when he says, “In Massachusetts, I support the 2006 healthcare law.”
“Now the 2006 legislation signed into law by then Governor Romney included a provision that required all Massachusetts residents to purchase health issuance, and provided for government funding of abortions (state funded $50 co-pay abortions for those who qualified.),” as Keyes points out.
“We will cut off our nose to spite our face”
By electing pro-abort, pro-sodomite RINOs we cut our noses off for no better reason than an irrational belief that real conservatives can’t be elected.
“Sorry Alan, I am not listening.”
I’m not entirely certain that this is cause for self-congratulation.
I agree. That in and of itself is a pathology.
Keyes also ran twice for a Maryland Senate Seat - and never got more than 39 percent of the vote.
So he is hardly in a position to offer advice how to win statewide office. That is my larger point - purity is fine and dandy, but Brown did what Keyes could never do - win in a blue state. And Keyes would rather whine than accept that killing the Dem supermajority is a good thing.
Well now, don't get me wrong. I'd love to see abortion outlawed completely, though I am sensible enough to realise that this will probably never happen, at least in my lifetime.
If we repealed Roe v. Wade, that would be a good start. Throw it back to the states, and I can see half of them outlawing it, or making it so blithering difficult to obtain that it would be almost non-existent. That would save hundreds of thousands of lives a year, right there - the federalism way.
“So you are against States’ rights?”
At least *try* to discuss the issue in good faith. This is not DU.
States’ rights, as everyone knows, are not limitless. For instance, states cannot legalize slavery. Neither should they have the power to legalize the evil atrocity that is sodomite “marriage.”
Perhaps the numbers would have been better if Republicans had treated Alan during that race like they now treat their new sweetheart: pro-abortion, socialized-medicine-crafting, Scott Brown.
Instead, they gave Keyes pretty much the same treatment that is being demonstrated on this thread.
While the Democrats were giving Barack Obama a prime speaking slot at their convention that year, touting him as their “rising star,” the Republicans were treating Alan Keyes like a leper. Their platform throughout the Bush years was instead filled with RINOs like Giuliani and Powell and Rice. Outspoken conservatives were not welcome there.
I agree with this. Brown was not elected by Republicans (be they on the side of Mitt Romney or on the side of Sarah Palin). Brown was elected by the people of Massachusetts; including Democrats, Independents and Republicans. At this time, the people are best represented by the Tea Party movement. RINOs should be afraid, very afraid.
As for Keyes, he should sit down and be quiet, lest those who are just now becoming involved and informed also learn that it was Keyes who opened the door wide for Obama in Illinois, so ultimately Keyes bears some direct responsibility for our country being under the yoke of President Obama.
And when Eternalviggy and DSC can convince 51% of the people in Massachussetts to get right on abortion with y'all, then they will be ready for a true pro-life conservative candidate.
Explain to me this map.
Those Blue areas that went for pro-death Coakley. How exactly do you win those with a Pat Robertson fire-breathing social conservative?
You could stand to take a little of your own advice.
How exactly do you win for conservatism by electing liberals?
It's like asking Bill Clinton to protect your daughter's chastity. You can do it, but based on track records it ain't too smart in the long haul.
Keyes didn’t live in Illinois. Did you honestly think that the media was going to give Keyes a break? Please.
I’m glad to hear Brown opposes health care reform and abortion. I was confused by his words but I am glad you folks have verified that he is a one of us
Wasn’t Keyes the guy that lost to Obama?
“Let’s see Brown campaigns saying he is FOR tax cuts, against Health Care Reform (at least as currently laid out)”
But *not* against socialized medicine as a concept.
“What the hell else can he do?”
It’s not a question of what he can “do.” It’s a matter of what he actually believes in.
“Oh yeah he may or may not be ‘pro-life’.”
According to his own words, he is not.
“Look if he isn’t responsive to his cinstituents he won’t be in office for long.”
It seems that his constituents thought they were electing a conservative.
“And just for my gigles name one electable ‘real conservative’ in Massachuttes”
Since you have such a low opinion of my knowledge and intelligence, how can you assert that my ignorance of electable conservatives in Massachusetts means that there aren’t any?
How exactly do you win for conservatism by losing to leftist liberals?
“You could stand to take a little of your own advice.”
Groundless accusations are beneath dignity.
The hatred of Keyes is, was and always will be about abortion. Nothing else. These threads are useful for pro-abort Repubs to rent their rage against "SoCons" and portray Keyes' election losses as an outright repudiation of the rights of the unborn (even though a majority of Americans are Pro Life).
Then explain the fact that Keyes ran twice for the Senate in Maryland - and never got more than 39 percent of the vote.
He has never won a single election. In other words, Scott Brown did what Keyes could never do - win a statewide election in a blue state. But all you can do is whine about how it's someone else's fault. Guess what? Winning talks much more loudly than whining. Whining just gets you the occasional guest slot on cable TV. Winning kills off the Dem supermajority.
So, IOW, if you’re against gay marriage, you have a problem with the Constitution?
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