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Posted on 01/24/2010 5:30:32 PM PST by thackney
The same type of warning labels are on gasoline tanker trucks as well.
What happens when you rupture a tank that’s under pressure? Very bad things, whether the contents of the tank are flammable or not, and whether or not there’s a spark to set a flammable gas on fire, gas under pressure does nasty things when released in an uncontrolled manner.
Every time they poke a hole in the Marcellus formation they find more NG. And they just announced a major find in shallow water off LA, estimated at 2 to 6 Tri. CF.
Notice the difference in volume. ONE couple hundred pound tank of natural gas earns a warning label, compared to THOUSANDS of gallons of gasoline.
There is a convenience store/gas station here at the beach with a sign in the window that says: “EAT HERE AND GET GAS!”
Just like the electric car when recharging there is a possiblity of a blowup and fire and the costs of adding it to your electric bill might be astronomical. What happens if the grid goes out? I say experiment. That ethynal turned out to be a big dud and it’s good thing they found out before some idiot who has a piece rammed it down our throats in Congress.
Let them convert our trains to natural gas first. If that works, then try semi trucks.
Just wait until the first hydrogen fueled vehicle explodes.
Remember that Natural Gas Solution article you posted here about 5 years ago?
Top of the world!
Oh wow. um. That was a while back. It basically said we could replace gasoline a lot more efficiently than replacing power plants with wind and solar.
But that we just needed the infrastructure. Heck a tenth that stimulus could have done it.
Something like that.
But I will say part of my job is hazardous area classification. I deal with flammability hazards with gasoline, Pressurized Natural Gas and Pressurized Hydrogen in refineries every day. The hazards are not greatly different, each having some characteristics the other avoids.
We have a lot of city buses and other commercial trucks already running on compressed natural gas.
UPS Deploys 245 New “Green” Trucks
http://www.pressroom.ups.com/Press+Releases/Current+Press+Releases/UPS+Deploys+245+New+%22Green%22+Trucks?srch_pos=9&srch_phr=natural+gas
Atlanta, January 19, 2010
UPS (NYSE:UPS) today announced it has deployed 245 new delivery trucks powered by Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) to cities in Colorado and California.
The new CNG trucks have been deployed over the past month to Denver (140) and to four cities in California: San Ramon (18), Fresno (16), West Los Angeles (59) and Ontario (12). The vehicles are part of UPS’s continued effort to reduce its emissions from the use of fossil fuels like gasoline and diesel and lower its carbon footprint.
UPS began deploying alternative fuel vehicles in the 1930s with a fleet of electric trucks that operated in New York City. Today, UPS operates one of the largest private fleets of alternative fuel vehicles in its industry - more than 1,900 in total with these additions. Since 2000, the company’s “green fleet” has traveled more than 165 million miles.
“The greening of our fleet demonstrates the effectiveness of harnessing multiple technologies and applying the right vehicles to areas where they will provide the best advantage,” said Bob Stoffel, UPS senior vice president of supply chain, strategy, engineering and sustainability. “Compressed Natural Gas continues to be a sustainable technology for UPS’s fleet because natural gas is cost effective, clean-burning and abundant.”
UPS, a member of the EPA Climate Leaders, first deployed CNG-powered delivery trucks in the 1980s. At the time, UPS purchased traditional gas- or diesel-driven vehicles and converted them to run on compressed gas. The 245 trucks deployed over the past month were built from scratch as CNG vehicles. They join more than 900 CNG vehicles already in use by UPS worldwide.
The CNG truck bodies are identical externally to the signature-brown trucks that comprise the UPS fleet. Marked with decals as CNG vehicles, the trucks are expected to yield a 15 percent emissions reduction over the cleanest diesel engines available in the market today.
For its alternative fuel fleet, UPS has deployed CNG, Liquefied Natural Gas, propane, electric and hybrid electric vehicles in the United States, Canada, Mexico, Germany, France, Brazil, Chile, Korea and the United Kingdom. The company was the first in the industry to purchase hydraulic hybrid delivery vehicles and has conducted research with hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.
It probably won’t explode unless someone includes thermite in the paint of the container.
Also, NG has more energy than hydrogen, so a bigger boom. Natural gas is also heavier than air so it sinks to the ground and stays around a while; hydrogen is lighter than air so if there’s a leak, the gas will rise out of the immediate area and not lurk around to cause an explosion.
There’s a big difference between hazardous tanks in buildings than in cars, would you put those tanks you work with in the back seat of every car in a high school? That’s what this plan is, and that’s why the CNG idea is a non-starter, converting cars into bombs with under pressure tanks of gas is just plain a stupid idea.
Dallas bought a bunch of those for their cop cars and they’re slower than hell. Definitely unsatisfactory.
Again, we disagree. There are already a lot of CNG powered vehicles on the street today. If your concern was real, it would already be news. They have been driving our streets for decades. The bombs you claim exist do not seem to be going off.
At least hydrogen and natural gas disapate upwards into the air if their is a leak, rather than pooling in a spreading flammable puddle.
I do not see the danger level much different than what we use today.
You have a tank that will hold hydrogen without leakage? I don’t want one in my garage
Most of them are in large vehicles like buses. It’s a different matter entirely in cars. Again: would you put these tanks in the back seat of every single car in a high school parking lot?
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