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To: Colofornian
If Mormons in Utah had a lower bankruptcy rate than non-Mormons in Utah, why does the article give credence to the "various commentators" who blame Mormon culture?
3 posted on 02/12/2010 4:27:01 PM PST by TheMightyQuinn
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To: TheMightyQuinn
Why is the media ever bigotted against religion in general and Mormonism in particular. At least the story has the integrity to record that there are an awful lot of non-Mormon Utahns these days, and they did worse on this measure, whatever it is that it is supposed to be measuring.
8 posted on 02/12/2010 4:40:22 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: TheMightyQuinn
"the pressure in Mormonism to be, or at least appear, financially successful as proof the Lord is blessing them."

As a Mormon, I've never encountered any such pressure to "appear financially successful." This is a nonsense statement made from someone who doesn't know much of anything about the LDS Church. In fact, the messaging from the church leadership is just the opposite--live within your means and stay out of debt. This is a consistent, constant message. I can promise you the claim that we're pressured to "look successful" is laughably false and the polar opposite from the truth.

On the other hand I would agree that people who marry young and think they need a house beyond their means is likely a cause of mortgage problems in Utah. People in such a situation should rent until they're able to afford a home of their own. But there's nothing in anything the church teaches that should make them think they need to own a home. That's their own internal misjudgment.

But let's face it, the problem of people living outside their ability to support it is a national problem, not just a Mormon problem, and at the crux of the national foreclosure crisis. Other states like California, Arizona, Nevada, Michigan and Florida have had much more of a foreclosure problem then Utah. I think the need to connect this issue to religious practice is gratuitous. There's really little connection between the two. And if one really wanted to build a silly argument upon a silly arugment you could say that not being a Mormon was a bigger cause of foreclosure than being once since the states with the highest foreclosures are not predominantly Mormon--just like within Utah non-Mormons are those with the highest foreclosure rates. But again, this is an absurdity just like the initial premise.

12 posted on 02/12/2010 4:56:21 PM PST by MissesBush
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To: TheMightyQuinn; MissesBush
If Mormons in Utah had a lower bankruptcy rate than non-Mormons in Utah, why does the article give credence to the "various commentators" who blame Mormon culture?

It's simple. Do the math: You can't be 56% of the pop without contributing to a bankruptcy rate almost twice the natl avg state-wise. (IOW, it's not simply 44% of Utah's non-Mormon population operating in severely lopsided ways as foreclosure-happy folks).

25 posted on 02/12/2010 6:17:00 PM PST by Colofornian (As the Lds once were, the fLDS are; as the fLDS are, the LDS will become.)
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To: TheMightyQuinn
If Mormons in Utah had a lower bankruptcy rate than non-Mormons in Utah, why does the article give credence to the "various commentators" who blame Mormon culture?

That's nearly double the national rate and not far from No. 4 Florida's rate of 1 in 187.

That's because 60% of the state claim to be MORMON.

Do you think the OTHER 40% are SO bad that THEY would drag the state to the #2 spot?


http://www.statemaster.com/state/UT-utah

33 posted on 02/13/2010 5:14:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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