Posted on 02/22/2010 9:06:23 PM PST by DesertRenegade
California Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) chairman Ryan Sorba generated a media controversy when he was shown at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) denouncing the organizers for inviting a homosexual Republican group, GOProud, into the event as an official sponsor. In "controversial" remarks, Sorba said homosexuality was unnatural and that he welcomed more debate and discussion about the subject from his political adversaries.
But what many people don't realize is that Sorba's "outburst" was provoked by a speaker who preceded him, Alexander McCobin of Students For Liberty (SFL).
McCobin went out of his way to use valuable time from the podium to thank the American Conservative Union, the main CPAC organizer, for making the controversial decision to approve GOProud's participation.
David Keene, a lobbyist, is the chairman of the ACU and personally approved GOProud's involvement in CPAC.
Sorba told AIM, "I think CPAC went overboard this year. I don't think he [Keene] should be sitting at the top of CPAC." He noted that CPAC over the last several years has also allowed groups such as the ACLU to have exhibits at the event.
"What's next?," Sorba asked. "Are they going to have Republicans for Obamacare? Republicans for free abortions?"
Incredibly, McCobin of SFL told me that his group "is not a conservative organization" and that "We spent this past weekend reaching out to the left and the right at both the Young Democrats of America's convention and the Conservative Political Action Conference. We are not left or right."
If they are not conservative, Sorba asked, "What are they doing at CPAC?"
No stranger to controversy, Sorba is the author of the book, The Born Gay Hoax (this is a working draft) and was shouted down at Smith College by lesbian activists because of his support for traditional values.
Don’t misunderstand me. I’m not advocating any of their pro-homosexual positions, nor am I saying anyone in the conservative mainstream should either. Not once in my post did I back any facet of the homosexual agenda. All’s I’m saying is that I think the message from the conservative tent should be that they can come in if they support conservative values but nobody is going to make accommodations for the homosexual agenda.
If SFL claims to be neither left or right, the question should be what are they doing at CPAC, not GOProud. Granted I didn’t listen to every speech given at that event but I’m pretty sure GOProud wasn’t up at the podium pushing gay rights to anyone.
Anyways, my point is, I think there is a seat at the table for gay conservatives when it comes to fighting big government takeover; nobody has to support the gay agenda, just work towards common conservative values.
What was it Reagan said about people who agree with him 80% of the time?
No GOPerversion for me today, thanks.
It is what homosexuality is really about, you are pushing your homosexual agenda on the wrong site.
Free Republic Founder Joins Boycott Of CPAC
>"One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share."
Sincerely, W. Mitt Romney
Well that’s Romney for ya.
Details here: http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda
Pushing left of DADT is the very touchstone of this folly. Anyone with a gram of common sense knows this is going to bring chaos to a force stretched almost to the breaking point already. Let the pristine political egalitarian nuts and flakes scream “homophobia” all they want, human nature wasn’t created / did not evolve (choose one or more) for such situations. Again, with all the kvetching about wishing they had been able to keep DADT dropouts in specialty roles, one thing might work if the services decide they need it bad enough. Black sheep squadrons, all members explicitly self identified either gay or don’t care. And these had better watch their behinds real close (pun intended) when treading on Muslim soil.
Log Cabin Republicans have been around for several decades now, since the ‘gay movement’ took hold in the 70’s. The Liberty Education Foundation is part of the same group. They are very active and alive today.
I never heard of their being funded by a rich liberal. Do you have some links?
” Why are the gay conservatives any different than these other “conservatives”?”
Because “gay conservatives” have an agenda which is their main agenda: which includes
-the homosexualization of our military,
-the destruction of traditional marriage,
-the passage of “hate crime” legislation (to the point where a church or individual can’t teach that homosexuality is a sin) and individual businesses like photographers are forced to document homo “weddings”
-the perversion of children through the public school system and organizations that work with kids,
-and the destruction or neutering of all organizations that resist them, such as they have done to Big Brothers/Sisters and the Girl Scouts (who went pro-gay) and Catholic Social Services (which can no longer place kids for adoption in certain states)
- and the punishment of all independent businesses such as photographers who don’t want to do homo “weddings.”
They infiltrate in order to DESTROY.
I read your post very carefully and there is no contradiction in what you say and what I say. Look carefully:
“1. They cannot be conservatives or promote conservatism... as long as they sanction or promote homosexuality.”
The key words are “sanction” and “promote”. Sanction is enshrinement in law. Promotion is any kind of government-sponsored advocacy, both elements of the gay agenda of the left and anathema to the religious views of many. I oppose both. Gays who do not advocate these CAN be conservative within the closest analysis of what you said and I don’t disagree. But I also oppose your religious views being imposed on those who do not agree. That is not “conservative” either because it requires the same government powers you must oppose to achieve your own liberties.
Well for starters, we don't have to worry about catching diseases that have no cure from these "other conservatives."
I think he means GoProud?
This same subject was covered this weekendhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2455408/posts, in which the owner stated in post 211,
“Free Republic is a pro-God, pro-family, pro-Liberty conservative site! We are 100% opposed to liberalism, socialism, wacko environmentalism and militant homosexualism.”
I have some libertarian views about homosexual matters myself, but (1) I ain’t gay and (2) I don’t push it to the point of stupidity, where we are asking dogs to be cats or vice versa. A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
MassResistance has the goods:
According to their website, here’s some of what GOProud’s agenda includes:
Legalization of homosexual marriage. They have articles cheering the progress of homosexual marriage in Washington DC and bemoaning the loss of the gay-marriage effort in New York state.
Against the Federal Marriage Amendment, which they term as “anti-gay”.
Supports the repeal of the military’s “Don’t ask don’t tell” policy.
Supports expansion of federal national health care legislation to facilitate “expanding access to domestic partnership benefits.”
Having America’s foreign policy support homosexuality abroad: America should: “Stand strong against radical regimes who seek to criminalize gays and lesbians” (i.e., sodomy and other homosexual behavior).
Supports special federal pro-gay legislation, including “Package of free market reforms to encourage and support small businesses and entrepreneurship in the gay community.”
GOProud’s chairman, Christopher R. Barron, described the pro-family movement this way: “Unfortunately there are far too many folks in this country who deserve the label anti-gay, and some of those folks are politicians. Indeed some people in this country make a living demonizing gay people and our families.”
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10a/cpac_conf.html
Is there any other “GOP” group named for its sexual habits?
The SwingerProuds?
The Shacking UpProuds?
The BigamyProuds?
The AdultererProuds?
The MasturbatorProuds?
The PornLoverProuds?
No. Although probably many folks at CPac are divorced, have or may commit adultery, or may be living with a significant other.
What’s the difference? IT’S NOT THEIR REASON FOR LIVING. They are in pro-2nd amendment contingents, or pro-military groups, or pro-life groups, or whatever.
It’s always the homosexuals who have to organize around their sexual habits.
Any homosexualism that is willfully blind to a socially destructive work that it is embarked upon is tantamount to militant in my book. It’s just that the commander is Satan and he has blinded his followers.
“But I also oppose your religious views being imposed on those who do not agree. That is not “conservative” either because it requires the same government powers you must oppose to achieve your own liberties.”
That is a delicately worded crock of it. lol.
There is no imposition of religious beliefs. There is no theocratic enforcement. What you are really saying is that you don’t feel religiously supported views should be tolerated.
Being gay is a human flaw like any other...over eating, promiscuity, drug addiction, etc.
We don’t exclude those faults from conservatism. I don’t see why we should exclude being gay...as long as they don’t flaunt it.
Those MassResistance folks, they need prayer to get past the monster they are locked into a head-on clash with. All the news I hear about them sounds like it was issued by the Bureau of Eeyore.
Just having “Proud” in the name should be a red flag to any socially savvy person. Even “Gay GOP” would be less in-your-face.
GOP On Dope... (no prejudice against medically proper usages)
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