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Will the Right Find Libertarianism?
The Atlantic ^
| Mar 18 2010
| Wendy Kaminer
Posted on 03/19/2010 12:25:37 PM PDT by presidio9
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:25:37 PM PDT
by
presidio9
To: presidio9
The fiscal conservatism and limited government portions of libertarianism would be of great import.
The rest, not so much.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:28:12 PM PDT
by
Jewbacca
(The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
To: presidio9
A typical (and deliberate) misrepresentation of conservatism by a leftist. Libertarians seek personal and social anarchy; conservatives seek moral governance. Neither is reducible to a simplistic scale of “liberty.”
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:28:18 PM PDT
by
sthguard
(The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
To: Jewbacca
The fiscal conservatism and limited government portions of libertarianism would be of great import. Yes, but we're trying to do that anyway. I'd prefer to see the libertarians aligning themselves with the left, and see if they can reign them in on spending a bit.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:30:56 PM PDT
by
presidio9
(Islam is as Islam does)
To: sthguard
I think you’re probably correct.
To: sthguard
Correct, but you need to add “moral relativism” to your list of libertarian ideals.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:32:20 PM PDT
by
presidio9
(Islam is as Islam does)
To: presidio9
I'm all for medical marijuana as long as it is approved and regulated by the FDA...just like any other drug.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:34:10 PM PDT
by
ari-freedom
(Rush:Remember to put your faith in ideas and not people. People will always, always disappoint you!)
To: presidio9
The usual Libertarian rant against those who realize that the advance of Islamic terrorism requires security measures that make libertarians nervous and motivate some of them to conjure up all kinds of Orwellian scenarios. Conservatives oppose the steady advance of a hedonist culture and most chose Christianity (or other religion) over secular humanism. Libertarians and conservatives may share some political DNA but we go our distinctly separate ways most of the time, and we should. This article demonstrates why.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:36:41 PM PDT
by
Jim Scott
(HA)
To: presidio9; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
There will be NO conservative victory in November without the small 'l' vote. Period. If you think otherwise, you're kidding yourself. It's going to be mostly there in 2012 unless the GOP chooses to deliberately alienate us by backing a Romney/Huckster/McCain clone...all bets are off if that happens. Pray for America.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:39:48 PM PDT
by
bamahead
(Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
To: presidio9
unless freedom means restricting reproductive choice, The 'right' to kill a fetus? Some 'right'.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:41:40 PM PDT
by
dirtboy
To: sthguard
A typical (and deliberate) misrepresentation of conservatism by a leftist. Libertarians seek personal and social anarchy; conservatives seek moral governance.I'll second that. Such deception as this is all over America, and a reasonable true conservative voice is hard to find, basically repressed by the Media, and/or we have truly lost our way.
Libertarianism is NOT conservatism. Indeed libertarianism is basically shallow emotional reaction (as in 'reactionary') against the Left. Conservatism is, as you say, far deeper, and was once what America was about.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:43:24 PM PDT
by
jnsun
(The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
To: presidio9
I'd prefer to see the libertarians aligning themselves with the left, and see if they can reign them in on spending a bit.
You're basically asking for unending Democratic rule here. Free market libertarians will never back socialist commies.
But that doesn't mean we'll bow to the RINO infested GOP either if they nominate who I think they'll try to ram down conservative's throats.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:44:01 PM PDT
by
bamahead
(Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
To: jnsun
What an utterly clueless post.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:44:29 PM PDT
by
bamahead
(Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
To: presidio9
Wendy Kaminer is with the ACLU - which means she is writing this to divide the right.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:44:58 PM PDT
by
dirtboy
To: presidio9
The greatest failing of libertarians is in selling what effectively is isolationism.
To: ari-freedom
I'm all for medical marijuana as long as it is approved and regulated by the FDA...just like any other drug. Like it is in the places where its now legal? In SF Hippies complain about phantom headaches and get perscriptions for "medical marijuana." Seems to me that about 90% of the people being perscribed want it for one reason: Because it is a mind-altering drug. There are better pharmaceutical options for all of the syptoms pot supposedly treats. Now, there are people dying of cancer, who claim that pot helps their appetite after chemo (there are other drugs that will do this). I sympathize with them, and would not have a problem with doctors prescribing pot to them so they could get stoned and say it was for the appetite. The rest of these people are just looking to get stoned. Even that wouldn't be such a big deal, except that when you are dealing with raw plants, there's no way to regulate the dosages. All people who seek to escape reality through mind altering drugs are obviously dealing with a reality that they would be better off addressing.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:48:43 PM PDT
by
presidio9
(Islam is as Islam does)
To: presidio9
I support the limits granted to the government spelled out by the Constitution.
There are many things that social cons want that the federal government is not listed as having any authority over.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:48:49 PM PDT
by
misterrob
(Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
To: presidio9
“Yes, but we’re trying to do that anyway.”
Hardly. Gutting the federal government is necessary, even things that otherwise have value (e.g., drug issues).
It all just needs to be gutted and let individual states decide.
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:49:20 PM PDT
by
Jewbacca
(The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
To: presidio9
Yeah, how about conservative relativism as well?
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:50:04 PM PDT
by
misterrob
(Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
To: Jim Scott
The usual Libertarian rant against those who realize that the advance of Islamic terrorism requires security measures that make libertarians nervous and motivate some of them to conjure up all kinds of Orwellian scenarios. Conservatives oppose the steady advance of a hedonist culture and most chose Christianity (or other religion) over secular humanism. Libertarians and conservatives may share some political DNA but we go our distinctly separate ways most of the time, and we should. This article demonstrates why. This is about where I like to remind all the libertarian lurkers who are about to get pinged into ths theard that President Reagan strongly opposed libertarianism.
I was glad to see the libertarian author recognize the fact that libertarian does not correctly belong on the political "right."
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posted on
03/19/2010 12:51:02 PM PDT
by
presidio9
(Islam is as Islam does)
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