Posted on 03/19/2010 4:56:11 PM PDT by chessplayer
Ditto.
I am totally unconcerned about your rules on evidence, or what I have 'proven to you' or how thin you think the ice is for me
Then why do you respond?
You don't like the Bible, surprise surprise
I like the Bible very much. It's a nice and interesting book.
So, if you can't force your insight on me, and you know the Bible is simply a religious book to me, then why are you quoting from the Bible?
Out of "charity?"
To do otherwise is to claim that you know what this world is all about.
Science is not about making nice stories that make one feel good. Science makes working models. And this world is not really that nice outside the safe confines of the artificial environment we live in.
Everything is just the result of chance and accident, our thoughts and emotions nothing more than a bunch of chemical reactions
I don't anyone can say that for certain. But we also can't say for certain what is this a result of and for what purpose if any.
And yet they deride and ridicule believers, which is ludicrous, as all they have to say amounts to nothing in the long run. So their derision and mockery is as meaningless as their existence.
No one ridicules believers. However, they paint themselves into a corner when they make statements of faith as if they were statements of fact.
betty boop, when you say God is something, then you are creating an equation, which also must be true in reverse. If someone states "God is my life and reason," then it must be true that my life = God and and my reason = God. Is it proper then to worship your life and reason?
All I see here is that God = my life, God = my reason, ergo, my reason/life = God. If that is true, then my life = my reason, and my life/reason = divine. By the statement "he is my life and reason" the creature is calling itself divine.
I never mock other people's beliefs. I only question them when they are arrogantly presented as unproven facts.
Again, this is not about me, so making it about me is not the appropriate topic.
Sure it is. It's about origins and evolution and global warming and green this and that and all kinds of other things that make people feel like they don't need God any more and can do away with Him because they found what they think are all the answers.
No one ridicules believers.
Of course they do, especially when they equate faith in God with pink unicorns on Jupiter.
Regardless if it is or isn't, I am not the topic.
Show me otherwise.
For someone who has referred to other posters in disparaging terms, calling one, for instance, “God’s press secretary” and likening their beliefs to “pink unicorns on Jupiter”, you are displaying remarkable sensitivity to a simple observation. That observation being that you spend a great deal of time and effort to refute a position which you claim is self-evidently fantasy.
I bear no personal animosity to you, even if you try (however ineffectively) to make fun of me. I expressed the belief that God would not wish the loss of any souls, yours included. Your response was scornful and called me “self-righteous.” (For what it’s worth, I find myself to be a horribly flawed and corrupt individual, a view I have come to only after fully realizing the Truth of salvation in Y’Shua. ..... I think it was Billy Graham who once said, “The closer you come to the light, the dirtier you realize you are.”)
Bottom line - In matters of faith it is particularly difficult to separate the belief from the believer. I think that metmom said something like that in a previous post, linking her life and belief to the reality of God.
No one is expecting a sudden recantation or conversion through this discussion. But as I look back at my own life, I think now of things people said to me many years ago, which “fell into place” only after time and life had softened me up enough to accept the Truth.
I wish you well in your quest, whatever you perceive it to be, and I pray that God will draw you closer to Himself over time - that the intuitive side of your intellect will show you the way home.
Once you get there, you’ll find you have a lot more friends than you ever thought you had, and you will find a peace that passes all understanding.
Over and out - for now.
//Then why do you respond?//
Because I chose to, and you are not the only person on this thread.
//then why are you quoting from the Bible//
Only one of those 6 quotes was from the Bible.
//Science is not about making nice stories that make one feel good//
Evolutionary beliefs are not science, yet the evolutionist feels good in them.
// I never mock other people’s beliefs....
Again, this is not about me, so making it about me is not the appropriate topic //
Okay, so its nothing about you and your pink unicorns from Jupiter. So either own that or drop it okay??
I predict you as an evolutionist will do neither. You dont have truth, so you resort to derision and ridicule.
“I never mock other people’s beliefs. “
Oh really?
What about this snide little comment that you keep repeating?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2475048/posts?page=827#827
Were it not for people who claim the equivalent of pink unicorns on Jupiter, the topic would be a dead issue as far as I am concerned.
*************************************************************
“I only question them when they are arrogantly presented as unproven facts.”
And yet you make statements that you arrogantly present as unproven facts. We question them and you resort to snotty *pink unicorn on Jupiter* retorts.
But you will never believe, no matter what the evidence, if you choose not to. No amount of evidence will convince you, even if someone rises from the dead. You're not the only one in that position. It's a principle that applies to all people for all time.
Miracles are always being excused and written off as somehow just being natural in origin with some explanation of why it violated the natural laws just this one time. Things like, *Well, statistically, it was bound to happen...* sort of nonsense. I heard the nonsense that Jesus didn't really raise the dead but He knew they were in a catatonic state.
But even then, you'd still have to explain how He acquired that kind of knowledge in those days and was able to diagnose it and treat it with NO medical facilities available. Either way, His actions are inexplicable.
Luke 16
19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
INDEED TO THE MAX.
THX.
Your #832 was addressed only to me.
Only one of those 6 quotes was from the Bible.
I didn't ask you how many, but why.
Evolutionary beliefs are based on science and are presented as theory. Religion is based on an a priori belief in the invisible presented as "fact." Which is more honest?
I already told you the answers, you dont like the answers, that’s all.
There were 6 quotes in total there. Apparently you could not recognize that only one of those quotes originated from the Bible. Either way you got caught out. And so despite your denials, it is the Bible you have the issue with.
Why do you have such an issue with the Bible? Think about it, the answer you give is immensely more important for your own insight than any value it has for me.
There is nothing to drop. A priori beliefs in the unseen are just that. They apply equally to any fanciful creation of the human mind. If you call your beliefs a theory, no one will object. But once you begin to speak of them as facts...you get the point, I am sure.
I predict you as an evolutionist a creationist will do neither. You don't have truth, so you resort to derision and ridicule
Change one word and see how who is resorting to what.
Only an example of a priori beliefs presneted as facts. Nothing snide about it. Why do people get offeneded when they are told the truth?
And yet you make statements that you arrogantly present as unproven facts
Which ones?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.