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AT&T, Deere CEOs Called by Waxman to Back Up Health-Bill Costs (Rats don't like the consequences)
Business Week ^ | 3/27/2010 | Viola Gienger

Posted on 03/28/2010 4:28:51 AM PDT by tobyhill

Representative Henry Waxman called the chief executive officers of AT&T Inc., Verizon Communications Inc., Caterpillar Inc. and Deere & Co. to provide evidence to support costs the companies plan to book related to the new health-care law.

Waxman of California, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and subcommittee Chairman Bart Stupak of Michigan released letters they wrote to the executives, saying their plans to record expenses against earnings as a result of the law contradict other estimates. The lawmakers requested the executives appear at hearing Stupak plans on April 21.

“The new law is designed to expand coverage and bring down costs, so your assertions are a matter of concern,” Waxman and Stupak, both Democrats, wrote in the letters yesterday. “They also appear to conflict with independent analyses.”

AT&T, the biggest U.S. phone company, is among employers that have announced plans to book costs related to the health- care law signed this week by President Barack Obama. The 10- year, $940-billion legislation is intended to cover 32 million uninsured Americans and provide benefits such as restricting premiums and ending the practice of denying coverage for pre- existing conditions.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; ceo; democratcorruption; democrats; economy; healthcarecosts; liberalfascism; obamacare; socialisthealthcare; stupak; unemployment; waxman
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To: tobyhill
Waxman has no justification until these companies actually take the charges they've announced. They should tell Waxman to "suck it".
41 posted on 03/28/2010 5:10:37 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: D1X1E

I don’t think you’re overreacting. It will very soon be illegal to demur in any way from our Great Leader’s plans. Let me clarify: it won’t actually be illegal, because there won’t actually be any laws providing this. But they won’t need the laws, because they’ll enforce it in other ways, ranging from media shows to tax harrassment to, if they can manage it, trumped up criminal charges on other matters.


42 posted on 03/28/2010 5:11:20 AM PDT by livius
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To: HD1200
"It is apples & oranges. The loss to AT&% and others arises because they still carry retirees on their benefit plans for prescription coverage. Previously the government was paying 28% of this cost but no more - this bill cuts off that 28% so the companies have to book the additional expense for all future years in the current period as a result of the loss of this 28%. BUT they will also now do what GE did a long time ago - dump retirees prescriptions on medicare and so medicare will now pay 100% instead of 28%."

So GE doesn't cover any prescription costs of its retirees? That piece of information won't be reported, of course.

43 posted on 03/28/2010 5:11:38 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: taildragger

No to amortizing the loss. The company carried a liability on its balance sheet representing a projected cost for retiree benefits for a few decades of expense based on having to pay 72% of the losses. They had already hit the income statement with this charge as they built the liability up over financial years as employees retired and the company decided to allow them to remain on the company drug plan. Now the calculations for all those years are off by the 28% the government was paying. They have to take a hit now on the income statement for the entire amount that loss of 28% for a number of years in the future represents based on actuary calculations. The companies will now weight whether they should just dump the retirees off the company drug plan and onto the government (medicare) so medicare pays 100% of the cost. If they did this they could reverse a lot of accrued expense on their books and then watch the Democrats brag how their HCR enabled companies to shave costs WHEN IN FACT their doing so dumped it on medicare!


44 posted on 03/28/2010 5:12:43 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: tobyhill
The new law is designed to expand coverage and bring down costs.

Bizarro world.

45 posted on 03/28/2010 5:13:32 AM PDT by petercooper (Ignorant Obama Voters: Happy Now?)
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To: tobyhill

They’d better fly “commercial” to D.C.


46 posted on 03/28/2010 5:13:50 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: tobyhill

Reality really bites, don’t it Nostrils?


47 posted on 03/28/2010 5:13:57 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: prairiebreeze; HD1200

HD1200 has an explanation at Post #26.


48 posted on 03/28/2010 5:14:38 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: prairiebreeze

Oops, sorry - Post #27.


49 posted on 03/28/2010 5:15:14 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: tobyhill

Nostildamas predicts that costs will come down.


50 posted on 03/28/2010 5:16:18 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions...$1 Halfbaked...50c)
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To: tobyhill
Next up, “premiums would have increased more if we hadn't acted”.

They can recycle their talking points on "jobs created or saved". Their base still believes.

51 posted on 03/28/2010 5:17:01 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: HD1200
Now that the cost has gone up because the government no longer is going to send the Corporations the 28% Obama & the Dems are stunned that 1) accounting rules dictate that the coporations have to book the loss of the 28% for the next few decades that they anticipate the retirees receiving this benefit will live and estimate the liability on new retirees AND calculate if now is the right time to bump them off the corporate benefit plan and make medicare absorb 100% of the cost of them.

That is incorrect. The subsidy will continue. Here is what changed

In 2003, the Medicare Modernization Act added a prescription drug benefit to Medicare. Some employers already provided prescription drug coverage to their retirees, and Congress worried that they would stop these programs and move all those people onto the government nickel. Congress thus created a subsidy to encourage employers to maintain those benefits. The government pays 28% of the cost of qualifying prescription drug coverage for employer-provided prescription drug coverage for retirees who are at least 65. Nothing in the new health legislation would change that.

Here is what changes.

Let's say AT&T spent 1 million dollars on this prescription plan. 72% or $720,000 came from them. 28% or $280,000 came from the Federal Government, or our tax dollars. AT&T, until now, has been able to take a tax credit on the entire $1 million dollars. Including the $280,000 that the taxpayers gave them. They didn't spend that money. We did. Why should they get a tax rebate on money we gave them? This new law closes that tax loophole and now AT&T and other corporations can only take a tax credit on the money they actually spend.

Source for info

52 posted on 03/28/2010 5:22:12 AM PDT by meia
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To: tobyhill

This is starting to sound like the chocolate ration episode from Orwell’s “1984.”

All we need is Gibbs making the claim “premiums would have increased more if we hadn’t acted” at his daily propaganda release, err... White House press briefing.


53 posted on 03/28/2010 5:23:41 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: tobyhill
Waxman demands the CEOs appear before him and unless those evil CEOs arrive by Greyhound bus or mid-1990s Detroit POS rust buckets, they are going to get the same treatment the GM and Chrysler execs got for using their corporate aircraft. More pitiful class warfare, all for show, for the very people it hurts the most.
54 posted on 03/28/2010 5:23:50 AM PDT by revo evom
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To: Madame Dufarge
What good little myrmidons:

What a great and useful addition to my already large vocabulary. Thank you!
55 posted on 03/28/2010 5:25:57 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: HD1200

BUT they will also now do what GE did a long time ago - dump retirees prescriptions on medicare and so medicare will now pay 100% instead of 28%.

“...medicare and so medicare...” = Tax Payers will pay 100%.


56 posted on 03/28/2010 5:28:17 AM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Thermalseeker

Ummm....... Other than skin pigmentation, what is his “strong suit”. Empty suit is more like it.


57 posted on 03/28/2010 5:29:46 AM PDT by JeanLM
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To: aruanan

IF THE CEO’S JUST STAY CALM and keep qouting the shareholder’s information laws and the numbers....
Well, as Obozo says” GO FOR IT!”

I am sure these CEO’s have been hauled to worse meetings than the likes of Waxman. HA!


58 posted on 03/28/2010 5:32:41 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

I kind of laugh at the 1/6th number.....It will end up being like 25% when the socialist Obama gets done with it.


59 posted on 03/28/2010 5:36:02 AM PDT by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: tobyhill

Why don’t these Dims just get it over with and start an organization like the NKVD? That way, then can just arrest people they don’t like and send them away. They can call it Pelosi’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs.


60 posted on 03/28/2010 5:36:05 AM PDT by grimalkin (This paper by its very length defends itself against the risk of being read. - Winston Churchill)
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