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Fed up U.S. flyers flirt with train travel
Montreal Gazette ^ | April 19, 2010 | Dorene Internicola

Posted on 04/19/2010 3:14:14 PM PDT by Willie Green

NEW YORK - After idling for decades, train travel in the United States, while not quite out of the station, is beginning to work up a healthy head of steam.

And experts say that is thanks largely to the mounting hassles and tacked-on costs of traveling by air.

"The airlines are prompting a renewed interest in rail travel," said Margie Jordan, CEO of ASAP Travel, based in Jacksonville, Florida.

"Clients paying extra for checked bags, carry-on bags, blankets, pillows, headsets, food, drinks and, in the case of Ryanair, even to use the toilet, are looking for a less expensive option," she said. "It’s nice to see the resurgence of a travel experience that had seemingly lost its luster."

Even though the pre-World War II glory days of Art Deco dining cars and streamline sophistication are long gone, Ypartnership, a travel marketing company, found that nine percent of leisure travelers reported having taken at least one train trip during the past year.

That’s a hefty increase from the four-to-six percent of previous years, according to CEO Peter Yesawich. And it includes more young people.

"Traditionally train travel has been favored by the older population," he said. "But it appears to be gaining among millennials and gen-Xers. That’s a surprising observation."

Not surprising is why.

"Last year one out of five commercial flights were delayed or cancelled," he said. "And you’re far more likely to get stuck in a middle seat because planes are flying so full."

He added that if quality rail travel was more available, more comfortable and more convenient people would opt out of other forms of transport.

(Excerpt) Read more at montrealgazette.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: planes; trains
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1 posted on 04/19/2010 3:14:14 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

All we need now is a company to build a national mag-lev train network!


2 posted on 04/19/2010 3:19:14 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Willie Green
Yeah. Good luck with that, folks.


3 posted on 04/19/2010 3:19:31 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Willie Green

I was commuting from Los Angeles to San Diego for 6 or 7 months and almost always took the train. Doorstep to doorstep it was faster than flying and I could bring my own beer, have liquids and metal stuff (no X-ray machines) and use my cell phone, both as a modem for my computer and just to talk.

And I would go Business Class (confirmed seating and a snack) for about $12 more — round trip!

I loved it — I wish I could do it for my cross-country traveling!


4 posted on 04/19/2010 3:19:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Craven spirits wear their master's collars but real men would rather feed the battlefield's vultures)
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To: Willie Green
Book the party train!


5 posted on 04/19/2010 3:23:03 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: freedumb2003

I hate to sound like a greenie but maybe certain businesses should rely more heavily on internet/phone and people in general are going to have to reduce their reliance on super fast air travel (increasingly not as fast lol) Not for enviro reasons, of course, but because the tickets aren’t particularly cheap anymore except to certain places as parts of packages and it’s just become an enormous government-subsidized hassle.


6 posted on 04/19/2010 3:38:26 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: colorado tanker

Wow, Willy is still selling trains?

Trains are great if you don’t mind waiting longer, and if you don’t have the money to pay to drive.

I’d much rather drive. See the country. :) One of these days I’ll travel I-35 from Minnesota down to TX.


7 posted on 04/19/2010 3:40:17 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: freedumb2003
I was commuting from Los Angeles to San Diego for 6 or 7 months and almost always took the train. Doorstep to doorstep it was faster than flying and I could bring my own beer, have liquids and metal stuff (no X-ray machines) and use my cell phone, both as a modem for my computer and just to talk.

I still commute on the train every day between LA and OC and have been doing so every weekday for the past year or so.

8 posted on 04/19/2010 3:42:10 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: BenKenobi

Now that I am retired, I drive everywhere. My wife and I drove from Tucson to Orlando for a meeting instead of flying. It was fantastic. The people we met were the salt of the earth, the food along the Gulf Coast was so good we wanted to stay a few more days. I understand why folks must fly but the airlines have made it a real chore.


9 posted on 04/19/2010 3:43:12 PM PDT by AZFolks (uet)
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To: Willie Green

I had to go speak at a convention in LA in 1997. Of course, I was gonna fly - then I thought why not the train ???

I got a 30-day rail pass for about $300 and booked the deluxe room for about $1200. Private room, bath, AND meals for 10 days on the train [DC-Chicago-Seattle-LA-New Orleans-DC]. My employer allowed me to work from my train room, so I did not use up vacation time.

The room was as good as a hotel, food was excellent, no jet lag, got to see the country - all in all GREAT !!!


10 posted on 04/19/2010 3:45:31 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: freedumb2003

Back in the late Sixties/early Seventies, I really enjoyed takin’ the train from Milwaukee to Chicago for a weekend of prowlin’ the Blues clubs! Best bud was a Summertime Brakeman, and got me tickets free or dirt cheap.


11 posted on 04/19/2010 3:47:10 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Skywalk
I hate to sound like a greenie but maybe certain businesses should rely more heavily on internet/phone and people in general are going to have to reduce their reliance on super fast air travel (increasingly not as fast lol) Not for enviro reasons, of course, but because the tickets aren’t particularly cheap anymore except to certain places as parts of packages and it’s just become an enormous government-subsidized hassle.

The market will figure that out. I have the Internet on about 30% of my flights, but am hoping for better.

But my most expensive flights are about 2 or 3 billable hours so the numbers will probably work for quite some time.

But if I could go back the train I would -- and to keep the airlines "honest" is a great reason to do so.

12 posted on 04/19/2010 3:48:40 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Craven spirits wear their master's collars but real men would rather feed the battlefield's vultures)
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To: BenKenobi
I’d much rather drive. See the country. :)

Well then, Ben, why not go first class???


13 posted on 04/19/2010 3:48:46 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Willie Green

In other news, Vinyl sales are up while CD sales are down. Don’t expect vinyl to be more than a “temporary curiosity” though. I say that as someone that owns over a thousand records and very much enjoys listening to them.

I am fully aware that it is a nastalga thing, and I think a lot of it with the trains is as well. Trains as slow and expensive. At the end of the day, that is all you are left with.


14 posted on 04/19/2010 3:52:35 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: BenKenobi

>>I’d much rather drive. <<

Try the 405 from LA to San Diego or the I-95 between Richmond and DC. Those words will never pass your lips again.


15 posted on 04/19/2010 3:53:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Craven spirits wear their master's collars but real men would rather feed the battlefield's vultures)
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To: freedumb2003

Thankfully I travel in civilized places. Do they offer safaris in those jungles?


16 posted on 04/19/2010 4:00:04 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: AZFolks

Yeah, America is such a beautiful country. I miss it terribly.


17 posted on 04/19/2010 4:01:23 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: colorado tanker

If they would pay me I’d be glad to drive the Oscar Meyer weiner and be an ambassador for them.

Worked as a pizza delivery driver for years.


18 posted on 04/19/2010 4:07:10 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: Willie Green
My family of five took the train from Portland, OR to Minot ND to go to a family reunion. We had a "family bedroom" that did alright as accommodations. The food was far better than airliners even in their heyday. The train made both the trip out and the return on schedule.

By far the best part of traveling by train these days is that for our three week vacation, my wife and daughter were able to each take along a short ton of baggage and water skis that would have cost at least $500 in "extra" bag fees on an airliner. The train also cut out four total days of my trip that was still a "vacation" that I didn't have to suffer amongst the inlaws.

My chief complaint is that something with no weight restrictions should be capable of carrying a satellite internet rig and wi-fi for its patrons as a basic service.

With the baggage fees prevalent these days and the restricted flying options going to backwaters like North Dakota, at least to that destination, the train is pretty competitive with flying in every respect save for time.
19 posted on 04/19/2010 4:07:19 PM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Your "Amtrak Sucks" cartoon is pretty silly and adolescent.
But that's pretty typical for libertarian politics, and a good reason why nobody should take them seriously.
20 posted on 04/19/2010 4:20:47 PM PDT by Willie Green
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