Posted on 04/20/2010 8:39:41 PM PDT by neverdem
The fiber in natural fructose delays the absorption of the fructose.
People can say, over and over again, that sucrose is simply fructose and glucose, and hfcs is simply fructose and glucose, but it is simply not true.
Sucrose is broken down by the sucrase enzyme into fructose and glucose. That “broken down by the sucrase enzyme” part makes it different from hfcs.
That is only one way that sucrose is different from hfcs.
I have actually become convinced, over time, that corn — despite being tasty — is simply evil. Our bodies do not handle it well; they are not really designed to handle eating seeds from what is essentially a massively genetically-engineered stalk of grass.
My point is that further study is needed to determine exactly how much worse hfcs is than real sugar, and why.
Study after study is coming out pointing out the various dangers of hfcs.
We know less about the digestive system than we claim to.
Yes, of course.
However, what say you to the CDC study, which seems like sound science?
LOL! Why, because you say so?
People can say, over and over again, that sucrose is simply fructose and glucose, and hfcs is simply fructose and glucose, but it is simply not true.
Whatever you do, do not purchase a book on the basics of understanding nutrition. It would be a waste of money.
Sucrose is broken down by the sucrase enzyme into fructose and glucose.
Hey, you finally got something right.
That “broken down by the sucrase enzyme” part makes it different from hfcs.
And once hydrolyzed, your body can't determine the source of the fructose and glucose nor does it care. Congratulations, you've just answered your own misinformation on the subject.
That is only one way that sucrose is different from hfcs.
Other than the proportion of fructose to glucose, what are we missing?
The point i’m trying to make is that the sucrase step is an important step.
Do not attempt to put out a fire with hydrogen and oxygen. Use water for that.
Water is different from hydrogen and oxygen in many different ways.
Sucrose is different from fructose and glucose in many different ways.
Here is a source for the relationship between fructose and fiber.
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Untold-Dangers-of-High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup&id=2279085
“Fiber slows the absorption of fructose and reduces the negative effects. That’s why fruit, which contains fructose and fiber, is still a healthy choice.”
This doctor, like you, does not know what he is talking about. It's unfortunate to say, but this doctor wasn't paying attention in his nutrition and physiology classes. But he's on the internet so it must be true. Letting Google act as a substitute for an education on the topic won't end up being very productive for you.
You said, in post 125
Me: The fiber in natural fructose delays the absorption of the fructose.
You: LOL! Why, because you say so?
I gave you a source in post 126.
The reason why I gave you a source is because you asked for a source. You haven’t given any sources at all, and I haven’t asked you for a source.
But when you attacked me for not providing a source, I came up with one. And you know what, I can find a lot of links that say the same thing.
So, you are wrong - because it’s not me saying so, it’s hundreds, thousands of people saying so - people with MDs, and people without MDs. And it’s perfectly reasonable to think that fiber would delay absorption of fructose.
You don’t know about this matter, I’m not arguing that I’m an expert on this matter either.
We need more studies to determine exactly how poisonous hfcs is, and whether it should be a crime to advocate the use of hfcs ;-)
Arrogant dismissal of another’s reasoning process is hardly expressive of higher reasoning. It is more along the lines of a fourth grade “did too/did not” argument.
Whether you accept my statements or not is irrelevant to the fact that HFCS has been being put into more and more products over the years, increasing the calories in these food items. The only food-related item in your litany of changes since 1980 is the microwave oven. Nice try, but that strawman isn’t even remotely relative to the food ingredient-related discussion.
We have unwittingly been eating more and more of this product since the 1980’s. To ignore the coincidence of its increase in our diet and the rise in our size is at the least delusional.
Yes, we have also become more sedentary, but putting a manmade sweetener into everything under the sun simply to get rid of it (flouridation, anyone?) is madness at the least.
That said, have you tried any soda sweetened with cane sugar vs HFCS? Try it, and you will be surprised at how much better the cane sweetened drink tastes, even though the HFCS is considered “the same”.
While I know I will not convince either of you of the high potential that we are poisoning ourselves, nor will your arguments sway me into thinking that HFCS is perfectly safe.
Let’s just agree to accept each other’s respective opinions, which is all we have, and leave it be.
It’s been interesting, and I thank you both.
No, I’m sorry but you can’t argue purely rationally with someone whose sheer absurdity beggars the imagination; It requires reason to respond to reason; when dealing with absurdity, one must also make plain that the other is being absurd. To do so, you first must point out why it’s absurd, but then treat it as if it is absurd.
>> The only food-related item in your litany of changes since 1980 is the microwave oven. Nice try, but that strawman isn’t even remotely relative to the food ingredient-related discussion. <<
Ah, but first off, I only need one to make a counter-example. Well, sushi consumption is up since 1980. Sushi must cause our obesity epidemic. Porn is up since 1980. Porn must cause obesity. How is that food related? Maybe porn addicts are trying to fill the emptiness in their soul with food. There, I’ve used presumption to tie something that’s not food related to make it food related. Ronald Reagan provided a bad example to our youths by publicly expressing his appreciation for jelly beans in 1981. It’s his fault. (This theory would probably be very widely accepted at Democratic Underground.)
>> That said, have you tried any soda sweetened with cane sugar vs HFCS? Try it, and you will be surprised at how much better the cane sweetened drink tastes, even though the HFCS is considered “the same”. <<
Actually, I already noted how I greatly prefer the taste of sugar. But again, that’s only slightly more relevant than the fact that Tron came out in 1980.
Which CDC study? The one that pointed out that obesity increased since 1980? Or the one which found that rates of heart disease are down significantly? Or the one that recognized the spread of AIDS since 1980?
I still think it’s the pirates.
Nah, I’m just having a little fun. The CDC obesity rate studies have been severely criticized. Did you know that Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Harrison Ford and Mark McGuire were all officially obese according to the CDC standards, even at their healthiest? But that’s just an aside. The CDC study has nothing to do with fructose.
dangus, your argument is evidently without merit, because you have only used personal attack, insult and pie-in-the-sky strawman arguments to deride and denigrate my position. At least Mase uses facts and figures from a variety of sources, and POSTS them.
Just because you are far more aggressive than I, yell a whole lot more and are quite accomplished at absurd constructs does not mean you “win” anything. It does make it appear you have nothing but vitriol to dish out, though.
I have a co-worker who “debates” like that, and nobody wants to talk to him anymore because all he does is shout when he sees his position weakened or even doubted in any discussion/argument. He thinks that the louder he shouts, the stronger his point. By the way, I have seen this style of debating tactic online too, and I’ll give you one guess as to where.
I agreed to leave you with your biases. What is your difficulty in leaving me with mine? How does my choice affect you in any way, shape or form?
Good day.
Mase, you presented a strong case. Once again, thank you.
Sorry, but I think it is all hype.
This is another example of the health scare of the week. Do you notice how the government uses these to control us? They tell us what to eat and drink, how much we should weigh, what pills we should take, etc. Westerners are living longer than ever, and yet we obsess about our health constantly.
HFCS is just another sweetener.
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