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Laws of Nations 1759 English Edition (The Citizens and Natives)
Reading Revolutions ^ | 1759 | Emerich de Vattel

Posted on 05/02/2010 4:18:32 AM PDT by bushpilot1

The first English edition of Law of Nations(1759); or Principles of the Law of Nature: Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns is shown below. The title page is followed by the Preface and then the Table of Contents for Book I and Book II is shown in its entirety.

Require assistance to verify if this is the real deal and how to download.

This could be it.

(Excerpt) Read more at hua.umf.maine.edu ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; citizen; citizenship; dualcitizenship; eligibility; emerichdevattel; ineligible; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; vattel
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1 posted on 05/02/2010 4:18:32 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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vattel english translation
2 posted on 05/02/2010 4:31:22 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

758 Emmerich de Vattel Law of Nations; or Principles of the Law of Nature: Applies to the Conduct & Affairs of Nations & Sovereigns 1759 1st. English


3 posted on 05/02/2010 5:00:11 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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Chapt 19

“... The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”


4 posted on 05/02/2010 5:33:09 AM PDT by plain talk
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seems I posted too soon..


5 posted on 05/02/2010 5:39:11 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: plain talk

This document, however, was NOT incorporated into the Constitution by reference.


6 posted on 05/02/2010 6:13:57 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: bushpilot1
Here you would have to copy the jpg of each page as presented. That's slow and tedious, and not the optimum way to read any book. If you want to download a copy of the book, go to Google books:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vattel&rlz=1B3GGLL_enUS374US375&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=bks:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wp

You can download the edition you choose as a pdf. Click on the edition's image, choose pdf.

Of course you will need pdf software to read it. The computer industry standard is Adobe Reader, but there are alternatives.

7 posted on 05/02/2010 6:39:58 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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Very Interestink! I have seen posted many times that Vattel was translated AFTER the constitution. Although I assumed that Franklin and other founders knew French.

But this PROVES that it was available IN ENGLISH, WAY before the writing of the constitution.

TAKE THAT! Birther DENIERS.

8 posted on 05/02/2010 7:01:36 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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The ‘Law of Nations’ IS embedded in the Constitution in Article I Section 8 with the obligation of Congress to punish offenses. It takes a careful reading of the Constitution to see that the Founding Fathers were very aware of the need to cover the criteria for a NBC.


9 posted on 05/02/2010 7:26:09 AM PDT by noinfringers
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Very Interestink! I have seen posted many times that Vattel was translated AFTER the constitution. Although I assumed that Franklin and other founders knew French.

The specific translation that birthers commonly cite is from after the Constitution.

10 posted on 05/02/2010 10:01:08 AM PDT by Kleon
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The ‘Law of Nations’ IS embedded in the Constitution in Article I Section 8 with the obligation of Congress to punish offenses.

I've seen this claim made numerous times, but never with the passage in question actually quoted. For anyone who cares, here it is:

The Congress shall have Power To...define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations.

Do people really think this passage gives Congress power to punish offenses against a work by a Swiss philosopher?

11 posted on 05/02/2010 10:09:55 AM PDT by Kleon
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Maybe to punish offenses against the fifth century Roman code? When I started looking into this, there is quite a long history of the use of the phrase "Law of Nations."
12 posted on 05/02/2010 10:41:21 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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Interesting! Isn’t this one of the books that the NY Public library just recently announced George Washington had check out and had not returned?


13 posted on 05/02/2010 10:43:54 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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“Law of Nations” in the sense of customs between civilized countries, in regard to piracy and prisoners of war. Article I, Section 8 does NOT incorporate the text of Vatteau’s book, which I have seen claimed here. American law towards citizenship has always been more open than Vatteau’s book allowed. If not, we could not threaten retaliation in the War of 1812 when Britain hanged several naturalized Americans from Ireland for treason.
14 posted on 05/02/2010 10:46:07 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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I believe that by embedding the ‘body ‘ of the treatise that the ‘text’ is automatically embedded also. It is up to Congress to act on what offenses apply as to our Constitution. In any case The Law of Nations is explicit.


15 posted on 05/02/2010 11:03:59 AM PDT by noinfringers
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Nice effort at muddying NBC with naturalized citizen.


16 posted on 05/02/2010 11:26:06 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Kleon

I take it for what the Constitution is explicitly saying. I also believe our Constitution incorporates much of previous history and thinking and law of mankind including the Declaration of Independence which includes the reference to “—Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God—”.


17 posted on 05/02/2010 11:27:05 AM PDT by noinfringers
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I take it for what the Constitution is explicitly saying.

The term "Law of Nations" is a pretty common phrase and doesn't necessarily mean the book of the same name. In fact, looking at the context in which it's used, it's impossible to see how it could be referring Vattel's work.

18 posted on 05/02/2010 2:13:02 PM PDT by Kleon
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How am I muddying it? The United States has never accepted jus sanguis as the sole criterion for citizenship.
19 posted on 05/02/2010 4:27:14 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: plain talk
“... The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

That's not from the 1759 translation, but rather the 1793/97 one. It's a actually a better rendering into English of what the original French said, and many of founders could read the original French for themselves.

“Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays, de parens citoyens”

You can see the translater turned the order of the nouns "naturels" (naturals or natural ones) and "indigenes" (natives) around. But that was still better than the 1759 translation which translated "naturales" as "natives" and then left "indigenes" untranslated.

"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.

1759 translation.

20 posted on 05/02/2010 9:21:24 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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