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Republicans Sound Alarm on Administration Plan to Seize 401(k)s
Human Events ^ | May 4, 2010 | Connie Hair

Posted on 05/04/2010 7:43:39 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction

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To: Outlaw Woman

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?letter_id=4537853451

The above is a letter from a Republican senator from MO. which he wrote to the governor in Jan. of this year. In the letter, the senator references one of the links I have in my comment about the Governors Council and he also quotes a poster from Free Republic!

After reading the letter, my understanding is that the Feds now have the right under declared martial law to command the national guard - if there is a “catastrophic event”. This right was obtained through legislation passed by Congress under Bush. Obama inherited that power and he has expanded it by executive order the bottom line of which is he now has the ability to declare martial law without a catastrophic event requirement.

With regard to the National Guard therefore, it looks like Obama thinks he can command them directly if martial law is declared but the power to command them is still also with the Governor. If the Governor does not agree with Obama and countermands his orders to the Guard, I guess it would ultimately be up to the guard itself to decide who has the superior authority. I believe the guard would stand with the Governor.


221 posted on 05/05/2010 8:35:11 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: JoeFromSidney
" Obviously, the people nearest at hand, who are responsible for enforcing evil laws."

I'm sure you're aware that, in these politically correct days, Truth is not permitted. Displays of anger are not permitted. Any example of patriotism is not permitted.

You are not permitted to comment on that class of your skinhead, bloused boot, black gloved overlords that wander around ripped on 'roids, itching to get a chance to use their newly issued M-4 automatic weapons on "civilians."

You have to wonder what will happen when Iraqi/Afghani tactics come back Home...

222 posted on 05/05/2010 9:07:20 AM PDT by jonascord (We've got the Constitution to protect us. Why should we worry?)
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To: Natural Born 54

Thank you for that link! Greisheimer is my state rep. He’s always been considered a rino but I have to say, I’m impressed that he was on this. Yes, this was initiated under Bush in case of a ‘catostrophic event’. The fact that they were so secretive about it and would not allow the order to be reviewed is disturbing, but jmo...I do not believe or will ever believe that Pres Bush’s intentions were nefarious. It probably resulted in the thinking post Katrina whereby the gov of LA refused to act and Bush somehow got the blame. Whatever the reason though what started out as most likely a logical thought got hijacked (as with all laws) and further expanded for insidious reasons.
All that said, the Guard is effectively nationalized now. I truly hope you are right that the Guard will follow the Governors should a ‘conflict’ in orders happens. Our gov is on the council of governors and a democrat; I have little hope he will do anything to shore up our rights as a state or even attempt to call up the Guard to protect us from a major domestic conflict with the federal government.
Connecting the dots on what is going on is not hard to do and imo there is preparation being made against us. There are things going on in my own town, which I won’t address here..but things that have caught my attention.

Thanks again NB. May God intervene in this situation and free us from what is coming.

(that is terrific about the FReeper being quoted! There are some extremely impressive members here)


223 posted on 05/05/2010 10:06:37 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: OldGoatCPO

I didn’t mean it personally, and re-reading my post, accept my apology, as it was coarse.

Background: Non-military, but primary care physician who has a 35% patient population who is Tricare Prime/Standard (and their dependents). Thus, when a vet wants me to write a letter to the VA stating that his hemorrhoids are due to Agent Orange, so he can boost that “service connected” disability, he is a part of that 10% you speak of. I think it is probably closer to 20%, but don’t estimate myself as more knowledgeable than you.

Regardless, 50% of my patients are Medicare. Thus, 85% of my pay comes from the government. I work very hard for it, and sometimes several times a year, the reimbursement for my services are cut off or lowered until congress votes on stop-gap measures.

Effectively, I am also a government check receiver. With the war(s) and Barry’s centralization, a majority of us who work (and who do not!) are now dependent upon the FedGov teet - and we rate that as a necessity and will fight accordingly. We talk broadly, but we vote our paycheck (especially if family is involved). We are thus statists, reinforcing this malignant (and ultimately, terminal) relationship. You have no more right or authority to claim disability monies that I do Social Security - both transactions we invested towards with a promise of return. I also sign a Medicare and Tricare contract every two years.

The problem is that there hasn’t been enough wealth to pay for those promises for quite some time. FedGov knows this, and it is hardly concealed from the voting public. Since every politicians first-most and greatest desire is to remain in office (and ALSO RECEIVE TAXPAYER BENEFITS), the easiest and obvious short-term strategy is to let us continue to believe our “cut” is the top most priority. It isn’t, but as long as you and I continue to fight over it, we exchange security for fear and anger, and they receive the security.

It is wrong, and it has got to stop. Going further, I would say we must stop it, or it will stop on its own accord (scarcity, once the future variable is exploited, will render it unsustainable) and hurt us ALL much worst than if we changed it on our own.

The country of our Grandfathers would have fixed this; that was a time when many would have walked away from Social Security or Medicare Disability - out of pride and altruism, “give it to someone who needs it,” and depended more heavily upon family, church and community. Now, you and I both would think that someone who turned down the tentacles of a FedGov benefit would be insane.

This is no longer the country we like to wax nostalgic over.
With the current borders and population composition, it won’t be again.

Mike


224 posted on 05/05/2010 10:20:11 AM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable)
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To: Outlaw Woman
The things that you don't want to mention I get it. Heard some first hand reports. That's why these discussions are not a waste of time. People really do have to start thinking about these issues now. I just finished reading a book and have been quoting it here for the last few days because the book made a big impression on me. So I'll just paste the comment in here as it is relevant:

“Some people believe that armed citizens don’t stand a chance against an army, especially one as powerful as USA. This is the BS lie all governments around the world want you to believe, but the reality is very different.

If every block in the country, USA for example, has a dozen men with fire arms, the one that doesn’t stand a chance is the military force. It’s the perfect guerrilla setup, and a general’s worst nightmare.

You can’t nuke or level every block. You can’t arrest the entire country. The “fighters” are already armed, fed, spread out, integrated and infiltrated into the military and government branches. It’s impossible to win."

Fernando Ferfal Aguirre (SURVIVING THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE )

225 posted on 05/05/2010 11:51:51 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Natural Born 54

I just read that last night as a matter of fact. He’s a member on here. He has a blog that I intended on visiting because he is speaking from experience and sounds very knowledgeable.

You are right, we must all start thinking about these issues now. Did you hear that a refinery is on fire in San Antonio? 18 wheeler blew up... I do not believe in coincidences. There was also a small explosion at the Bush Airport yesterday.


226 posted on 05/05/2010 12:19:08 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: Harrius Magnus
Apology accepted, if I over reacted please accept mine as well. As a Senior Enlisted Leader I dealt daily with those who were gaming the system. Most do not start out that way, but they have enablers within the system. Some enablers need to justify their jobs, others their budgets and others have the same entitlement attitude. That may be where the getting hooked on entitlements that you mentioned begins. I have seen a perfectly healthy individual develop into a drooling mess with a Thorazine (spl ?) shuffle in less than 9 months. He wanted an early retirement and 100% disability. He got them, last I heard he is still a drooling mess. He is probably do doped up to decide if it was worth it. The enablers ask you if you have memory problems, say yes, you get a PDA, some TBI victims need them, others just want to play games. I have seen only one individual who claimed PTSD be told he was fine and only experiencing the normal anxiety of returning to a civilian environment after combat. The rest are treated and placed on a drug regime that makes a lobotomy look pleasant.
Unfortunately the system also causes the situation you described with the agent orange. Under relatively new rules, members with hemorrhoids will get at minimum a disability rating of at least 0% on retirement. 0% means the VA will not give them money but will treat the hemorrhoids for free for life. Vietnam vets and Gulf War vets did not fall under these rules as they are not grandfathered in. So even those with serious injuries related to combat have to prove those injuries occurred in combat or they cannot get compensation. Thus they need a provider to say it is Agent Orange related.
Entitlements are a problem, but the bureaucracy has to be fixed first. It is just like the immigration issue, there are no politicians with the testicular fortitude to fix the system first. At first I got angry, at those gaming the system, then I just focused on those who really need help.

Lest we forget, God Bless those who really need this help and will never have what could be considered a normal life again.

227 posted on 05/05/2010 12:33:16 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: Outlaw Woman

The author’s screen name is FerFAL308. Travis McGee told me. We both think it is the best “survival” book you can buy.

One poster on the 18 wheeler thread made this list:


May - 18-wheeler explodes at San Antonio refinery
April - Second drilling rig overturns, LA
April - Firefighters battle flames at oil refinery in Memphis, 1 critically injured - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2503735/posts
April - Deep Rig Fires Up, Explodes, Sinks - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2498776/posts
April - Officials: 2 coal miners dead in Kentucky accident - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2503359/posts
April - 25 killed in West Virginia mine blast - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2487460/posts
April - 5 die in Anacortes, Wash. refinery blast, fire - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2485880/posts

Then you have the attempts at NYC, Philadelphia, and the exploding bag just this week...


And you just added the Bush airport explosion. Someone else researched the incidence of refinery fires in the last 25 years. Up until this recent spate of fires, there had been a total of about a dozen. Now we have 3 in a month or so. The world is short on refineries as it is with very little prospect of building new ones at least in this part of the world. So, yeah, I’m not inclined to blame the fickle finger of fate either.


228 posted on 05/05/2010 2:22:02 PM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Natural Born 54

Thank you for that list. I was digging through my ‘self comments’ today because I have that list but couldn’t locate it. I think a separate thread with these incidents should be started. I’ll do that later after church, if someone else hasn’t by then. No, I don’t think it is the fickle fate of finger either; clearly there is something happening.

I will be getting that book too but right now hopefully his blog has some highlights on it.


229 posted on 05/05/2010 3:11:05 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Vice President Joe Biden floated the idea, called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” (GRAs), in the February “Middle Class” report.

They'll take 401K money from those who saved and give it to those who were too lazy, impatient, or greedy to put aside some money for the future. Yeah, that'll work...

230 posted on 05/05/2010 3:14:21 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Draw Mohammad Day" - - May 20, 2010 - Draw for freedom - draw for your children's freedom.)
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To: nascarnation

No, I just like getting out from under debt. The Founders had some choice words about debt.


231 posted on 05/05/2010 3:46:50 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (70 mph shouldn't be a speed limit; it shoud be a mandate!)
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To: Natural Born 54
That article could have been correct about McCain making a request of Washington

I would like to point out that, as a Senator, he did not have the authority to call out the Guard, since he is not Governor. :) It was likely just a PR stunt for the election year.

232 posted on 05/06/2010 8:03:01 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: Marie Antoinette

I agree. If it was a stunt to curry favor with voters, he should have asked the Governor not Washington.


233 posted on 05/06/2010 9:07:19 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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