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Wal-Mart's new smart tags on men's clothes worry privacy experts
AP via Houston Chronicle ^ | 7-23-2010 | ANNE D'INNOCENZIO

Posted on 07/23/2010 2:37:58 PM PDT by deport

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To: 5thGenTexan

RFID scanners aren’t selective, but which RFIDs they understand is, unless you think Michigan is going to give WalMart the decoding methods to their RFIDs. It would be like scanning your gym barcode at the grocery store, their barcode reader can read the barcodes but it doesn’t know what that barcode means so it ignores it.


61 posted on 07/23/2010 3:24:32 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Just get all your friends to help you save up about 1000 of them, take them back into the store and hide them under a stack at the bottom of the jeans counter, and watch the fun begin!

Too funny, but I would bet that running these tags over the scanner de-activates them.
However, now that they have told us that they can track sizes purchased and in inventory, we can start a game called “switch the security tags” and really watch the fun begin.


62 posted on 07/23/2010 3:24:32 PM PDT by Cyclone59 (Don't blame me, I voted for the hot chick and the old guy!)
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To: deport
Well, nobody should get paranoid about “arfids”, but they will be part of the new normal.

In the future, once everybody forgets about thes things and stops smashing them with rocks etc, they'll become part of usual marketing activities.

People entering a stadium will be silently scanned and a tally of what type of jeans being worn will be created. If it is shown that an overwhelming majority are “Wrangler” brand, Levis will pay for a commercial to be run during half time on the jumbotron. If most people are already wearing Levis, they won't buy the commercial.

This sort of activity will go on throughout your life, as most products will be RFID equipped. Or so the marketing people hope.

While this isn't really that invasive, I'm somewhat happy that I'll probably be gone before things progress to that point.

63 posted on 07/23/2010 3:24:44 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: deport

The dust-up has to be that it because it is Wal-Mart.

Grocery stores have been putting these on booze for years.

Retailers too. They set off anti-theft alarms if not
deactivated.

Have you ever seen a clerk rub the tag on a raised surface at checkout?

They are deactivating the tag.

I don’t think it will be used to scan a cart for checkout either.

Shoplifting becomes too easy. Buy 10 things, cut a couple of tags on the expensive items and off you go.

You can deactivate the licenses with an X-Aacto blade.

Doing so will probably carry a fined, though.


64 posted on 07/23/2010 3:24:51 PM PDT by Cyber Ninja (Live and let live; is not working...)
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To: deport

This is such a total non-issue. If it were any UNION company it would be applauded as innovation.


65 posted on 07/23/2010 3:24:56 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
This will make theft, particularly small scale theft like price switching, much easier to accomplish without being detected.

Unless you have the tool to install those pesky little plastic tag umbilical cords, it's hard to switch tags. The only thing this might help with is to inventory items that have left the store without passing the register scanner.

66 posted on 07/23/2010 3:25:34 PM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: PurVirgo

yeah, but unless you pay for everything with cash, retailers have been collecting data on you for years now!!


I’ve noticed at Kroger’s that you don’t get the in-store deals unless you use their Shopper’s card. And the savings can be huge if you do.


67 posted on 07/23/2010 3:25:56 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: deport

The concern here is not the tag, but the readers.. those readers will be able to also read your Nexes passes , and’ smart drivers licenses ‘used to pass into canada instead of a pass port. the imbedded material on the Nexes and drivers licenses contain private info that could be used in identity theft

We have no way of knowing who will have those readers in their hands ...

The info is supposed to be protected by the sheath you keep it in, but I bet lots of folks do not bother with the sheath ..and the next step will be to have a reader that sees “through” them


68 posted on 07/23/2010 3:27:50 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me)
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To: deport

Meth chefs buying mass quantities of cold pills will be tracked as well.


69 posted on 07/23/2010 3:27:49 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 30 days away from outliving Francis Gary Powers)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
What kind of amounts regarding price switching do you believe can be done. Does Walmart offer clothing that costs more than a few dollars to begin with?

I bought a new gas BBQ with a grill in the side and it was all of $49.
Most all their genes go for no more than $9-15.

Most of what you say can be avoided by the checkers being even half trained.

70 posted on 07/23/2010 3:27:51 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: The Working Man

yep... I opt-in for that kind of tracking. Food Lion has some great deals with their MVP card :)

tip - I have never turned in the “application” form for said savings cards anywhere.


71 posted on 07/23/2010 3:29:10 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Smeg!)
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To: SamAdams76

Everybody buying any amount of sudafed is already being tracked.


72 posted on 07/23/2010 3:30:13 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: blam
I would buy small credit card size envelopes to put my drivers licenses and credit cards in my wallet...something better (more durable) than a simple alum foil envelope will probably sell once this (RFID) news is known.

Looks like someone is already onto this: www.rfid-shield.com


73 posted on 07/23/2010 3:30:41 PM PDT by GizmosAndGadgets (That given freely is charity; Taken by force, theft; Stolen by the government, tyranny.)
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To: glorgau

“Microwaves work nicely... “

You can make a dandy little RFID zapper out of a disposable camera.


74 posted on 07/23/2010 3:30:41 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Syntyr

That reminds me of something I read about
a law suit by a woman that stepped on one
of the sticky ones that some one had taken
off of something and throw it on the floor.

She set off the theft alarm leaving the store.

She was eventually strip-searched before
they found the tag on her shoe.

She won.


75 posted on 07/23/2010 3:30:56 PM PDT by Cyber Ninja (Live and let live; is not working...)
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To: MarkeyD

I was going to give some other hints to evade being found, if you don’t have your tinfoil hat on, but it looks like you are up on your tactics.


76 posted on 07/23/2010 3:31:51 PM PDT by Ed Condon (Give 'em a heading, an altitude, and a reason.)
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To: deport

it says they are REMOVABLE smart tags - so once the item is bought, the customer can remove it. I don’t see a problem and the hysteria.

If you couldn’t remove it, that would be an entirely different matter.


77 posted on 07/23/2010 3:32:08 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: Bigh4u2

I posted this same thing before I saw your post.


78 posted on 07/23/2010 3:33:14 PM PDT by Cyber Ninja (Live and let live; is not working...)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
They wants to control the world by tracking my skivvies.

Step 1: Steal underpants.

Step 2:........

Step 3: Profit.

Everything I needed to know about business, I learned from the underpants gnomes.....

South Park Underpants Gnomes Profit Clip (Warning: crude language)

79 posted on 07/23/2010 3:34:08 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: I cannot think of a name
This sort of activity will go on throughout your life, as most products will be RFID equipped. Or so the marketing people hope.

I agree with your vision of the future. While not necessarily evil, it is the inevitable progress of technology being applied anywhere we can imagine a use for it.

Your post reminds me of a news article from a few years ago indicating that a company had developed technology that allowed them to detect what radio stations drivers were listening to through some sort of antenna-tuning measurement. The idea was that electronic billboard-advertisers would pay to target certain groups based on the predominant market group sampled in real-time. Cool and creepy all at the same time...

80 posted on 07/23/2010 3:38:07 PM PDT by GizmosAndGadgets (That given freely is charity; Taken by force, theft; Stolen by the government, tyranny.)
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