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Some Evangelicals on Defensive over partnering with Glenn Beck
CNN Belief Blog ^ | Aug. 27, 2010 | Dan Gilgoff

Posted on 08/29/2010 11:41:39 AM PDT by Jess Kitting

A handful of prominent evangelical activists are defending their decision to attend television host Glenn Beck's conservative rally in Washington this weekend after some Christians complained that evangelicals shouldn't be partnering with Beck because of his Mormon faith.

"There is no need to 'de-Christianize' each other over the matter," wrote Jim Garlow, an influential California pastor, in a five-page memo this week arguing that evangelicals can attend Beck's rally and partner with the television and radio personality in good conscience.

"Glenn Beck is being used by God - mightily," Garlow wrote in the memo, which was obtained by CNN. "The left loves to slam him and do so viscerally and often with vulgarities. Glenn is not perfect... But his expose on America's sins is stellar."

(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...


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To: dusttoyou
"Having grown up in Southern Baptish..."

Is that the Baptists that say it's okay to drink alcohol? ;-)

101 posted on 08/30/2010 7:43:18 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: TommyDale

Only when they are out of town.


102 posted on 08/30/2010 1:42:21 PM PDT by dusttoyou (Let the other side get all wee-wee'd up, Remember come November)
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To: Can i say that here?

False doctrine is most definitely against Him

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the son.” 2John 1:9-11

You don’t get it my friend. Cults like Mormonism deceive people to Hell, damnation in fact. It’s time to stop playing politics......all of us.


103 posted on 08/30/2010 3:07:05 PM PDT by Robulus (Be wary, be vigilant, for your enemy walketh about as a roaring lion.)
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To: Robulus

Nope. I get it my friend. I’ve been a Bible believing Christian since my youth and I’m pretty suspicious of false doctrine, especially within the Christian religion.

What you leave out of your reference is vs 7, “ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

Beck preaches Christ crucified. I’ve been listening to his radio show since 2004 and in all the hours of air time, I’ve never heard him speak any way to salvation except Christ crucified.

Consider Matthew 12 “Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

If Beck’s doctrine is of Satan, why would he condemn “Collective salvation” and social justice?


104 posted on 08/30/2010 4:55:02 PM PDT by Can i say that here?
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To: Tennessee Nana
Interesting that you stop there. The church welfare system will feed and clothe them. The church will easily spend far more than their meager tithe.
105 posted on 08/30/2010 9:31:22 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: samtheman
THIS is the enemy people. ISLAM, MARXISM, Obama, Pelosi, Reid, the Ground Zero Mosque... THEY are the enemy... not the freaking mormons!!!

I'm sure that some descendants (they ain't very many) of the FANCHER party may have a slightly different take on this.

106 posted on 08/31/2010 4:01:57 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvavida
The most impressive thing I heard yesterday (I was there), was that all Americans should KNOW what they believe in, so that when hardtimes come, we can stand.

Hey!

That would be ME!!

And MORMONism ain't it!

107 posted on 08/31/2010 4:03:21 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvavida
He has yet, as far as I’m aware of, esposed any Mormon theology that contradicts Scripture.

That's because MORMONism mainly ADDS to Scripture.

108 posted on 08/31/2010 4:04:26 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I know all the moron haters will come in now and start telling me 10000000000 stupid things morons believe...

Not this MORMON lover!!

I will merely be posting things that MORMONism has PUBLISHED and TAUGHT over the years.

Folks can make up their OWN mind without MY help!

109 posted on 08/31/2010 4:08:01 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

We CAN!!

Just don’t be in such a hurry to publish and proofread FIRST!


110 posted on 08/31/2010 4:08:56 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dusttoyou
 
My strongest beleif is that ANY religion that runs down anyone else’s religion (save maybe muslims) is delusional in claiming “their God” told them so and certainly is not a Christian in the purer Golden Rule sense.
 
 
I know JUST what you mean!!
 


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 
Only just lately have the MORMONs seem to WANT be called Christians now.
 
Can't find ANYTHING in their doctrine that has changed to warrent this attitude shift; however.

111 posted on 08/31/2010 4:10:51 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LukeSW
The wild assertions made about the Church on this thread are silly.

Dang!

I came in late again!

Were these WILD things PULLED or can you direct me to them?

112 posted on 08/31/2010 4:12:31 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Mormons are evil. Mormons are the devil incarnate, according to them.

OOOH!

Sounds like FUN!

Got any LINKS so we don't have to WAIT?

113 posted on 08/31/2010 4:14:05 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: what's up
But if someone is speaking things contrary to clear Bible teaching you must reject it.
 
 
Like THIS???

 


 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.




 
BEHOLD!!!!  The Restorative Power  of the Book of Mormon!!
 



 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

 TRUTH IGNORED

Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimball, Woodruff ...

114 posted on 08/31/2010 4:16:38 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dusttoyou
Don’t know of ever hearing any Mormon running down any Christian, its always the other way around.

Then you need to take V3's advice and hang out in the religion forum.

There are some good, ahem, debates going on right now...

115 posted on 08/31/2010 4:18:42 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jess Kitting

Regardless whether Glenn Beck is saved or not, the founders, from Calvinists to Catholics to anti-cleric, all signed on to a document that contained phrases such as “their Creator” and “firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence...” The majesty of the document doesn’t lie in its Christian doctrinal orthodoxy, but in the association of men who recognized that rights are not granted by men.


116 posted on 08/31/2010 4:19:51 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Tennessee Nana

I guess my first thought about that bathead bitin’ guy was WRONG!


117 posted on 08/31/2010 4:20:23 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TommyDale

Yeah!


118 posted on 08/31/2010 4:21:04 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TommyDale

That’s an OLD Doctor Pepper bottle in that picture on your homepage!

Air Force?


119 posted on 08/31/2010 4:22:54 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EggsAckley

>> Finally, the Baptist stood up and yelled “I’m a Baptist and I’ll always be a Baptist. I’ll NEVER become a Christian!”

Maybe he thought Christianity was a religion.


120 posted on 08/31/2010 4:25:20 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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