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Koran burner Derek Fenton fired from his job at NJ Transit
NY Daily News ^ | 09/14/2010 | Alison Gendar and Pete Donohue

Posted on 09/14/2010 5:53:28 PM PDT by OldDeckHand

A New Jersey man who burned pages from the Koran outside a planned mosque near Ground Zero was fired from his job at NJ Transit, sources and authorities confirmed.

Derek Fenton, an 11-year employee at NJ Transit, was fired Monday, the agency said in a statement, two days after he was photographed burning the Koran.

"Mr. Fenton's public actions violated New Jersey Transit's code of ethics," NJ Transit said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; burning; derekfenton; freep; koran; poll; religion
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Interesting. I know there are cases where city/state/federal employees have been terminated for saying racist things even outside the workplace. And, those terminations have been upheld in court, BUT, Islam is not a race. It's a religion. If you enjoy freedom of religion, then you also enjoy freedom to openly criticize, mock and ridicule religion - Islam, or any religion.

I don't see how the state of NJ could infringe on this man's 1A protections, but I'm not a 1A or employment law authority. It's an interesting question.

1 posted on 09/14/2010 5:53:30 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Law Suit.


2 posted on 09/14/2010 5:54:39 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (counter revolutionary)
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To: OldDeckHand

New Jersey (Hearts) Islamofascists!


3 posted on 09/14/2010 5:55:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't you dare try to use MY Constitution to protect and defend MY enemies!)
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To: OldDeckHand

Another interesting question would be if he would have been fired for burning the U.S. flag.


4 posted on 09/14/2010 5:55:33 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: screaminsunshine

Wonder what their position might be regarding the Holy Bible?


5 posted on 09/14/2010 5:56:15 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: OldDeckHand

Wrong Islam is a cult.


6 posted on 09/14/2010 5:57:00 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: OldDeckHand

NJ Transit has a code of ethics?


7 posted on 09/14/2010 5:57:28 PM PDT by Never on my watch (Why does the Left think Muslims are going to behave as Christians?)
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To: OldDeckHand

In their statement they called him “an at-will employee.” If it’s true, his options might be somewhat limited.


8 posted on 09/14/2010 5:57:51 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: OldDeckHand

If this guy gets a multi million dollar settlement, I am going out the next day and burn several Korans!


9 posted on 09/14/2010 5:57:51 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie ( Ok, Joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: OldDeckHand
He has been reported as an “at will" employee which would mean that the employer doesn't need a reason to terminate him. We need someone who has legal knowledge of NJ employment law and NJ transit employment provisions to look at this situation.
10 posted on 09/14/2010 5:58:23 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: OldDeckHand

Thats really sad, so one has to submit to the puke of Islam to have a government job..very disturbing..


11 posted on 09/14/2010 5:58:28 PM PDT by aeonspromise
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To: Mr. Wright

Promotion?


12 posted on 09/14/2010 5:58:55 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (counter revolutionary)
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To: Genoa

11 years? At will?

He needs to talk to the Union about this.

“Hate-filled”...I saw the footage. He seemed pretty calm, actually.


13 posted on 09/14/2010 5:59:26 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (The liberal mantra: Never enough.)
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To: OldDeckHand

With the right lawyer, he will own New Joisy.


14 posted on 09/14/2010 6:00:28 PM PDT by Shady (We will NOT capitulate to the Caliphate.)
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To: OldDeckHand

If he were walking with a rainbow flag in drag he’d be OK.


15 posted on 09/14/2010 6:00:57 PM PDT by Red6 (IMHO)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I seriously doubt it.


16 posted on 09/14/2010 6:01:41 PM PDT by sport
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To: OldDeckHand

“Mr. Fenton’s public actions violated New Jersey Transit’s code of ethics,”

I just returned home from a local meeting of career political hacks.

I needed a good laugh.


17 posted on 09/14/2010 6:01:42 PM PDT by maine yankee
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To: OldDeckHand

IMO the guy is a hero, I would gladly contribute to a fund to sue the city on his behalf.


18 posted on 09/14/2010 6:03:04 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (American Constitutional rights ARE NOT subject to muslim approval)
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To: Red6

ping


19 posted on 09/14/2010 6:03:20 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: OldDeckHand

I hope he sues.If he had burned a US flag (or a Bible) he probably would have gotten a raise.


20 posted on 09/14/2010 6:03:26 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: Shady

And in the meantime collecting unemployment.


21 posted on 09/14/2010 6:03:44 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: screaminsunshine

Certainly a viable option, I am sure.


22 posted on 09/14/2010 6:03:51 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Shady
With the right lawyer, he will own New Joisy.

If you've ever been there you know that that's no great prize.

23 posted on 09/14/2010 6:05:19 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: Venturer

It’ll be interesting to see if he can get it. They’ll probably try to say he was fired without cause, so he would be eligable. If it’s with cause, you normally can’t get UI benefits.


24 posted on 09/14/2010 6:06:16 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Genoa

Not if he can show a Constitutional or statutory violation


25 posted on 09/14/2010 6:06:35 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (NO MOS-que AP: It's the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE")
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To: OldDeckHand

Young Derek made the mistake of thinking he lived in a free country.


26 posted on 09/14/2010 6:07:31 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Genoa

If that is true you are correct. I thought most city transit workers belonged to a union. So there may be violations of a contract if he was fired without a hearing with a union representative present etc.


27 posted on 09/14/2010 6:08:09 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Another interesting question would be if he would have been fired for burning the U.S. flag.

Or a bible... Actually, either of those would likely lead to a promotion for a member of a government employee union (an arm of the Democratic party).

28 posted on 09/14/2010 6:09:19 PM PDT by liberte
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To: OldDeckHand

Had this man’s name been made public before? I had not seen it. A courageous man, and a courageous Muslim-American lawyer would be wise to take up his cause for a wrongful firing lawsuit.

Any number of Jewish and Christian lawyers would step forward to defend a Muslim harmed by anti-Muslim bigotry on the job, were that Muslim to have gone to a pro-Mosque rally and burnt am American flag and a Bible.


29 posted on 09/14/2010 6:10:04 PM PDT by bvw
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To: OldDeckHand

..freedom of expression...surely if progressives can mold a painting out of feces as art...burning an American flag....assimilate the shooting of a sitting President.....
...burning a ever changing Koran,at the whims of whatever Mullah decides what he wants in the Koran AT THE TIME can’t be held up in court....right ACLU?...ACLU?.....*CRICKET CRICKET*


30 posted on 09/14/2010 6:11:04 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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"In their statement they called him “an at-will employee.” If it’s true, his options might be somewhat limited."

Again, I'm not an employee law expert, but since the employer is the state and not a private company, the employer's situation is a bit more problematic. If he can demonstrate he's being retaliated against for expressing a particular political idea or position, he might have a claim.

I'm hoping someone with some employment law experience from NJ will comment.

I'm also more than a little shock that NJ has any state employees - especially in the transit authority - that are "at will" employees. Very surprising.

31 posted on 09/14/2010 6:11:12 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ..
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32 posted on 09/14/2010 6:12:06 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: OldDeckHand

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh man, pardon me. Whew! Hoo, ah ha. I live in New Jersey. Somehow the words ‘’ethics’’ and New Jersey together is too much. NJ Transit is a freakin’ monopoly, service sucks and the fares are constantly going up. (thank the unions) If the guy had burnt a Bible they’d have made him a vice president of operations or something. “Ethics’’. That’s rich.


33 posted on 09/14/2010 6:13:08 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Good thing he didn’t burn pages from the Bible or copies of Torah .... oh, wait ....


34 posted on 09/14/2010 6:14:13 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Belive In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice - and I'm still Molly Norris")
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To: OldDeckHand
I am Dereck Fenton!
35 posted on 09/14/2010 6:15:59 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am Derek Fenton!)
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To: OldDeckHand

He should say he converted to islam and was protesting the evil in his own religion. That would throw a monkey wrench into things.


36 posted on 09/14/2010 6:17:04 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: screaminsunshine

Law suit big time.

1A does not just protect popular speech, or speech that is limited to talking about sports teams or whatever.

In particular it is designed to (hopefully) protect dissenting speech against governments and institutions.


37 posted on 09/14/2010 6:18:04 PM PDT by djf (It is ISLAM or "We, the People..." Take your pick. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!)
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To: Red6

Well he could say he was a performance artist. That might get the left in a bit of twist trying to limit that sort of stuff. Usually it’s anything goes for someone calling himself that.


38 posted on 09/14/2010 6:19:19 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Genoa

Most employees are “at will”, unless they are lucky enough to have an employment contract (which most don’t).


39 posted on 09/14/2010 6:19:28 PM PDT by balls
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To: Cyber Liberty

seriously?


40 posted on 09/14/2010 6:20:16 PM PDT by Tigercap
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To: balls

Like ODH, I was a little surprised that a NJ Transit employee would be at-will.


41 posted on 09/14/2010 6:20:39 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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New Jersey and ethics

To quote the greatest comic who ever lived..... N..... Please!

42 posted on 09/14/2010 6:21:08 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies. Now ain't that ironic?)
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To: xp38

“Well he could say he was a performance artist.”

That’s not an option if he were in NJ Transit uniform.


43 posted on 09/14/2010 6:21:25 PM PDT by balls
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To: Cubs Fan

It will be “Joe the Plumber II”.


44 posted on 09/14/2010 6:22:01 PM PDT by plymaniac (2010=1994)
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To: plymaniac
It will be “Joe the Plumber II”.

Are you implying that his child support and car payments had all better be up-to-date?
45 posted on 09/14/2010 6:24:06 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: Tigercap

“I am Ben Hur.”


46 posted on 09/14/2010 6:25:53 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am Derek Fenton!)
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To: Shady

Then he can’t win.


47 posted on 09/14/2010 6:26:23 PM PDT by bakoj (What doesn't kill me, makes me stronger.)
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To: Red6
If he were walking with a rainbow flag in drag he’d be OK.

Wow! What a great idea! Get homosexuals to burn korans! A true dilemma for liberals!"


48 posted on 09/14/2010 6:31:47 PM PDT by GunsAndBibles
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To: OldDeckHand

Sue em.


49 posted on 09/14/2010 6:35:21 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Here’s hoping he’ll get a cushy job from freedom loving person who loves America, the Bible and Flag. There must be someone left.


50 posted on 09/14/2010 6:35:28 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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