There is no way someone can claim it's "tissue" when you see the little hands and feet and face. Abortion is Murder of a baby.
Posted on 12/02/2010 6:57:16 AM PST by MNDude
If you are arguing with someone who is "pro-choice" what two or three points would you make to make your case?
are you trying to turn me pro-abortion? ;)
thanks
1. For an abortion to be successful, what does the doctor have to do to the baby before removing it from the mother's womb?
2. The vast, overwhelming majority of abortions are performed merely for the purpose of convenience of a person or persons. Would you be willing to sacrifice your life merely to make someone elses life more convenient?
Also ask them what the difference is between a baby that is 15 minutes from being born and one that is 15 minutes old. Then extend that to an hour, a day, a week, a month, a term.
“That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and study it.” —Rabbi Hillel
I always had an issue with term “Pro-Choice”; your’e either pro-life or pro-abortion, “pro-choice” has no meaning to me.
My best abortion argument ever:
I remember a conversation I had with a liberal gal I used to work with. We were driving, on our way to a conference in Detroit, and the subject of abortion came up. Her argument was that it was the woman’s body and she has the right to choose what happens to her body. I told her that half of the babies aborted would have been women and asked her what about their right to choose what happens to their bodies. I followed it up by saying that the boys didn’t have any say in what happened to their bodies either. Don’t they have a right to choose too? She shut up and the last time I heard her mention abortion just before I left the company, I could tell she had softened her retoric and appeared to be changing her opinion. I believe it was because of that conversation we had on the way to Detroit.
I don’t know if this is a compelling argument or not, but what I will ask a “pro-choice” advocate if they believe the fetus feels pain. They will always argue that it can’t and so on.
Then I ask them if they think it is relevant if the fetus feels pain or not. Usually they don’t have much of an answer for this other than “well, the mother has pain giving birth”
I am always struck by the irony of the abortion battle.
Democrats and other liberals push for abortion on demand even though the overwhelming majority of those aborted are from the democrat constituencies and would likely have grown up as staunch democrats.
Republicans and Conservatives push for very, very limited, abortions, or none at all, even though most of those they want to save would have likely grown up to vote for the democrat opposition.
To me this is a startling reflection of the narrow minded obsession of liberals but it does speak well for the motivation and humanity of the conservative position.
I have read various numbers for total abortions since Roe v. Wade. A common estimate is somewhere around 50 million. Imagine the impact on the political make up of the electorate if they had all survived and 75% of those who eventually voted became democrats and only 25% republicans.
Depends on the level of education and commitment to abortion.
Many are ignorant (if sometimes willingly) to the formation of a baby. A nurse friend of mine recently described how early (within the 1st trimester) all the parts of a child grow, heart, brain, lungs, limbs, fingers etc. are all formed when the fetus is almost microscopic, and thereafter in pregnancy, just grow bigger. If you can convince a typical abortion supporter that a baby is fully human (what else would it be?) often, especially if they are religious...they will change their mind.
Convincing them of this though is usually not easy though, as they don’t WANT to think America has murdered 50 MILLION kids over the last 35 years—or that they themselves, or someone else close is a killer.
Ethically, and philosophically, however the key is the value of human life itself (at any age). This is where the question rests (as it must) on religious principles. Are humans made in the image of God, or not?
If not, than they can be dispensable for the common good—if they are too young, too old, too sick, or somehow not “useful.” This is where the Nazis and the Communists started, and how they broke all records of genocide....
Medical professionals and scientists ALL know a fetus is human. The pro-abortion ones however, simply don’t acknowledge human life itself has ultimate value, as they don’t come to grips with the principle of people made in God’s image. This is why it’s demonstrably such a slippery slope to euthanasia (”mercy” killing) of all kinds in this debate—once you don’t believe in God as our Creator, we’re done.
Planned Parenthood and others who try to argue that fetuses are NOT human are just using a lying PR campaign—to try to convince otherwise ethical people to allow for abortion, euthanasia and the like.
When a sperm and egg combine a new organism is created that is human———this is a scientific fact. The new living organism can die by intrinsic disease (genetic usually), hostile environment (maternal disease,drugs, maternal death etc) or by the conscience act of a another human being. Call it what you may we all die by these methods.
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