Posted on 01/29/2011 9:42:59 AM PST by SteveH
Occam in hyper-drive...............
If Mike Evan’s three reports (or more, last I heard there were 3) are correct that Abercrombie went so far as to send subpoenas to Hawaiian hospitals trying to uncover the records. That little tidbit makes this all the more interesting.
Most likely, Palafox being a long-time Democrat supporter would have realized the sensitivity of the request yet most likely didn’t think anything unusual would turn up. The records would be found and the Governor would release them to the press, shutting up the birthers and finally putting this issue to rest all in time for the 2012 elections. Oh to a a fly on the wall when Palafox was informed there was no there there.
Now Abercrombie has four problems and with the story growing legs, he needed to act quickly - hell, even Chrissy Matthews is questioning why the One just won’t release the damned things.
There are no records, Palafox isn’t under thumb and may talk, the story has grown legs with progressives now openly questioning other progressives and his rear is sore from the last call the WH made to his office. Chewed butt isn’t a delicacy in Hawaii, is it?
Abercrombie makes one last ditch effort to gather something, anything. He subpoenas the area hospitals and begins formulating a way to rid himself of Palafox; nothing like an unnamed source planted in the press of an unknown investigation into billing that Palafox may or may not be involved with.
The Hospitals have nothing on record so now Abercrombie is really screwed. He promises the WH he will take care of this and crafts a ridiculous statement with his AG hinting that something exists, but even Obama with all his power can’t release “it”, (btw, one Obama Nativity Story supporter explained that by saying the new “AG just doesn’t know the laws of Hawaii yet”). Abercrombie and the AG finalized their stories and released it to the press - hoping that most of the MSM would drop the issue.
Now, to get rid of Palafox and keep him quiet. A simple phone call to the reporter who has the “source” runs with it. Palafox is given a choice, keep your mouth shut or go to prison, either way you no longer have a job. If we knew the names of other players in this sage, there’s a good probability some of them will all of a sudden be out of jobs. Even worse with the DOH to the DNC to investigators and AG office including the power of the presidency.
Abercrombie might as well change his title to janitor the way he’s tried to sweep this under the rug. And his attempt to clear the good name of his friend, may have been the one straw we all knew was out there.
To the detriment of the US, we may have to wait until 2012 until we find out how many Obama supporters were swept away when Abercrombie opened the flood gates.
That is of course unless one of the few people in Hawaii and elsewhere who know the real facts of this matter open their mouths. Love of country should have forced unlocked their jaws long ago but we’re talking liberals here. No lie, no threat, no payoff, blackmail or punishment is to severe to those who break with the party line. Go after Obama and even reality can be turned upside down; as long as HE is protected.
Throw enough money on the table and things may just become Abercrombie, Obama and Snitch.
At this point you have to look back at what some of the Hawaiian officials thought would happen....
From a pro-faither blog:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/08/hawaii-legislator-says-the-birther-issue-will-go-away/
“There are so many things that were residuals of the election, and this is just one that’s carried on longer than usual. Eventually, it will go away.” - Rep Gene Ward
That was August 8th, 2010.
Sorry Gene. Your own Governor made sure it would not ‘go away’.
The previous administration in Hawaii under Governor Linda Lingle confirmed that both the original Obama Certificate of Live Birth and the computer print out Certification of Live Birth are on file and available.
Wrong and a flat-out lie. Linda Lingle or Chiyome Fukino never once said they saw/processed/certified/verified or sent out by request of the Obama Campaign a Certificate of Live Birth.
You know that. And both Lingle’s and Fukino’s statements are on record for anyone to read. In fact, the unnamed records Fukino claims she verified to deem Obama a American Citizen, if available as you claim, would have been presented to Abrochrombie with lei’s, dancing girls and pineapples if he asked for them.
The new Attorney General is wrong.
Yes, clearly. But they’ll be right about everything else with this issue as the previous Atty. General’s office was, correct?
New Attorney General just confirmed in the last couple of weeks, doesn’t know all the laws of the state yet.
That’s about one of the best damn excuses I’ve heard yet. He doesn’t know all the laws yet. So you’re telling me, a man whose resided in Hawaii the majority of his life, has passed the bar in Hawaii, was in private practice in Hawaii and ran the Hawaii DNC does not know how to look up a law in a code book? Just as you did? Just as I did? He doesn’t know all the laws yet. That’s a good one.
Obama obtained a certified copy of his Certification of Live Birth from the Hawaii Department of Health in 2007.
Exact name, source and statement of anyone in authority who has stated or verified that exact claim. And...what you can’t answer and will spend weeks twisting yourself into knots trying to excuse or explain, is that Abercrombie would have been given the COLB and other documentation within a few hours of requesting them. Here...try some of these excuses the next time.....
Abercrombie was given Obama’s records, but he ran out of rolling paper....sorry dudes!!!
The Great God Pele was demanding a sacrificial offerning, what could be better then the paperwork of THE man who walks on water???
Birth Certificate...we don’t need no birth certificate. The Gov played T-Ball with him the day he was born...yes, “he” was that special.
He doesn’t need a Birth Certificate, his ID is tattooed in his hairline.
anyone else?
Oh, the most important one. We’re from the Government so we can be believed, silly birthers.
And for more information, please click on the link below to the |”Frequently Asked Questions” page of the Hawaii Department of Health’s website. This FAQ is specifically about the birth records for President Barack Hussein Obama II.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
“It’s been established. He was born here.”
[Former] Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI)
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
Nowhere in the links you’ve provided did anyone say the Obama campaign requested in 2007 and was sent a certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Live Birth which was later uploaded to the internet as proof of Obama’s eligibility.
You won’t find it in the links you sent or any others - the State of Hawaii has never once verified it, regardless of how many times believers twist words to fit their facts. To make matters worse, Abercrombie blew out of the water any prior statement when he announced the only record is a “written statement” in an archive.
God words in mysterious ways - the very person who was going to ride in and put an end to the birthers and all their questions, failed. In spectacular fashion. Abercrombie confirmed the previously unspecific documents and prior verifications said to have verified Obama’s birth story, were so much garbage. Abercrombie deserves a standing ovation, now even progressives are asking other progressives “why doesn’t he just release the damned things?”. For now we’ll assume Crissy lost that tingle down his leg.
You are also aware that two different hospitals have been said over the years to be Obama’s place of birth, only to be changed when questioned. That doesn’t include the potential of a home birth or hospital birth our of country.
The most telling is that neither hospital makes claim to Obama being born there. If Lingle had verified, proven without a shadow of a doubt he was born at Kapiolani, there would at minimum be a plaque somewhere acknowledging that. But, Kapiolani won’t verify he was born there....because he wasn’t. Mike Evans three times is on record saying Abercrombie could find nothing at the hospitals either. Imagine that.
NRO listed Kapiolani only to redact the hospital when questions arose.
In November 2004, Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro, told reporters with the Rainbow Newsletter that Obama was born at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu. But in February 2008, she told the Honolulu Star Bulletin that Obama was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and
Children, also located in Honolulu.
During a fund raiser for Kapi’olani Hospital, Abercrombie read from a letter purported to be from the White House thanking Kapi’olani for giving birth to Obama. When asked specifically about the letter at a news conference on July 13, 2009, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs evaded
the question, but stated, “The noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America. He would not verify the authenticity of the letter that once appeared on Kapi’olani’s website but has now been removed.
When questions were raised about the authenticity of the letter, various news outlets including UPI and snopes itself changed their listed place of birth for Obama from Queen’s Hospital to Kapi’olani.
Obama is using a Connecticut SS% and is on record saying he traveled on an Indonesian Passport.
As for what can and can’t be released, that excuse hasn’t held water for years. A man who has specific members of the press assigned to him 24/7, 365 days a year, to document his every move, has no expectation of privacy. Abercrombie’s AG’s statement that neither the Gov or even Obama himself can release any documents should prove to even the most hard headed believer how ridiculous the claim is.
While it’s understandable how difficult it must be to accept how corrupt our government and judiciary has become to allow something like this to take place, an unvetted, unverified, unknown person sitting in our White House, the worst case scenario is here.
Believers can continue to delude themselves all they wish, to twist words and scant evidence to support their beliefs; no longer can you spread around lies and half-truths to support those delusions. Amazingly Abercrombie through Obama’s true believers under the bus.
Nowhere in the links you’ve provided did anyone say the Obama campaign requested in 2007 and was sent a certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Live Birth which was later uploaded to the internet as proof of Obama’s eligibility.
You won’t find it in the links you sent or any others - the State of Hawaii has never once verified it, regardless of how many times believers twist words to fit their facts. To make matters worse, Abercrombie blew out of the water any prior statement when he announced the only record is a “written statement” in an archive.
God words in mysterious ways - the very person who was going to ride in and put an end to the birthers and all their questions, failed. In spectacular fashion. Abercrombie confirmed the previously unspecific documents and prior verifications said to have verified Obama’s birth story, were so much garbage. Abercrombie deserves a standing ovation, now even progressives are asking other progressives “why doesn’t he just release the damned things?”. For now we’ll assume Crissy lost that tingle down his leg.
You are also aware that two different hospitals have been said over the years to be Obama’s place of birth, only to be changed when questioned. That doesn’t include the potential of a home birth or hospital birth our of country.
The most telling is that neither hospital makes claim to Obama being born there. If Lingle had verified, proven without a shadow of a doubt he was born at Kapiolani, there would at minimum be a plaque somewhere acknowledging that. But, Kapiolani won’t verify he was born there....because he wasn’t. Mike Evans three times is on record saying Abercrombie could find nothing at the hospitals either. Imagine that.
NRO listed Kapiolani only to redact the hospital when questions arose.
In November 2004, Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro, told reporters with the Rainbow Newsletter that Obama was born at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu. But in February 2008, she told the Honolulu Star Bulletin that Obama was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and
Children, also located in Honolulu.
During a fund raiser for Kapi’olani Hospital, Abercrombie read from a letter purported to be from the White House thanking Kapi’olani for giving birth to Obama. When asked specifically about the letter at a news conference on July 13, 2009, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs evaded
the question, but stated, “The noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America. He would not verify the authenticity of the letter that once appeared on Kapi’olani’s website but has now been removed.
When questions were raised about the authenticity of the letter, various news outlets including UPI and snopes itself changed their listed place of birth for Obama from Queen’s Hospital to Kapi’olani.
Obama is using a Connecticut SS% and is on record saying he traveled on an Indonesian Passport.
As for what can and can’t be released, that excuse hasn’t held water for years. A man who has specific members of the press assigned to him 24/7, 365 days a year, to document his every move, has no expectation of privacy. Abercrombie’s AG’s statement that neither the Gov or even Obama himself can release any documents should prove to even the most hard headed believer how ridiculous the claim is.
While it’s understandable how difficult it must be to accept how corrupt our government and judiciary has become to allow something like this to take place, an unvetted, unverified, unknown person sitting in our White House, the worst case scenario is here.
Believers can continue to delude themselves all they wish, to twist words and scant evidence to support their beliefs; no longer can you spread around lies and half-truths to support those delusions. Amazingly Abercrombie through Obama’s true believers under the bus.
Let’s assume for a second that everything you post above is the absolute truth and the way things happened.
All you and folks who agree with you need do is convince one single prosecuting attorney in the entire United States to convene a grand jury investigation into your allegations. With a grand jury investigation comes the power to subpoena documents and records and the ability to compel witnesses to testify under oath.
I’d be most interested in your explanation as to why in the nearly four years since February 10, 2007 when Barack Hussein Obama II announced his candidacy for the presidency, no grand jury investigation into his eligibility has been convened if there are serious constitutional issues here worth investigating.
Oh, and the St. Petersburg Times newspaper’s investigative unit, politifact, e-mailed a copy of the Obama campaign’s 2007 COLB to Ms. Janice Okubo, Public Information Director for the Hawaii Department of Health. Ms. Okubo reviewed the scan of the document and told the St. Petersburg Times that:
“It’s a valid Hawaii state Birth Certificate.”
Later in the interview she said that she had ordered her own COLB and Obama’s was identical.
Furthermore ALL scanned and actual images of Obama COLBs are irrelevant since the Director of Health for the state of Hawaii, Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a news release saying that she had personally seen and verified Obama’s ORIGINAL birth certificate along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics for the State of Hawaii, Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, whose signature appears on the 2007 COLB issued to Obama.
Dr. Onaka is alive and well and certainly would be able to testify as to whether the state Health Department issued the 2007 COLB or not.
Dr. Chiyome Fukino is also alive and well and able to testify under oath as to exactly what document she observed in the files of the Department of Health and what information is on that document.
Any official judicial or legislative body can call Hawaii officials to testify under oath. But none have.
Finally, I went to Kapiolani’s web site and found the Centennial Magazine with the letter from President Obama in it. Here’s a link. The reference to President Obama being born at Kapiolani is on the first page on the right hand column:
http://www.kapiolanigift.org/doc/centennial-magazine.pdf
President Obama’s full letter is on page six.
Why would the St. Petersburg Times email a copy of Bowrama's birth certificate to Okubo and not the other way around? Unless, of course, you are referring to the St. Petersburg, Russia, Times!
I just think the gov is a goober.
When it comes to political issues, remember to take 95% of what they say and throw it in the trash. Then take the other 5% and spend at least five hours separating the lies from the truth!
Why would the St. Petersburg Times email a copy of Bowrama’s birth certificate to Okubo and not the other way around? Unless, of course, you are referring to the St. Petersburg, Russia, Times!
Nice.........
:-)
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