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Somali Pirates Kill 4 Americans on Hijacked Ship
American Forces Press Service ^
| 02/22/2011
| DoD
Posted on 02/22/2011 7:33:13 AM PST by Allthegoodusernamesaregone
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To: sickoflibs
But anyway I consider this question of timeliness of attack-detection to be utterly irrelevant to the question of whether or not I should be allowed to defend myself.
You post lookouts, you do a spot-check-watch... whatever.
But if you are ARMED you have a chance. Doesn’t mean you’re 100% safe. Where are you 100% safe? Nowhere.
But you should have the RIGHT to be ARMED. Period.
To: TexasFreeper2009
Obama = Epic Fail.
Or:
Obama = Epic Traitor.
To: DonaldC
I am waiting to hear Obambi bleat about our Moslem “friends”. What a phony he is!
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posted on
02/22/2011 12:00:39 PM PST
by
juliej
To: samtheman
RE :”
But anyway I consider this question of timeliness of attack-detection to be utterly irrelevant to the question of whether or not I should be allowed to defend myself.”
The original assumption was that the Federal government outlaws arming the crew, which I was suspicius of. I believe the answer at that post was that it is legal for them to either have small arms, or guns not visible mounted. It's just that the ship owners don't allow it for a variety of reasons, which may or may not be valid.
I personally wouldnt want to be in that area without professionally trained armed fighters as an escort. Life is not an action movie where the dumb blond stripper mows down the pirates with a machine gun (Under Siege (1992) ). More like she would accidently shoot the crew.
This situation reminds me of the Clinton Black Hawk Down episode. We evenually fled Somalia. This really is a US military problem.
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posted on
02/22/2011 12:01:56 PM PST
by
sickoflibs
("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
To: hiredhand
Worse than this though, people keep voting them into office.Those folks who keep voting for the liberals are merely tools of the liberals and their strangle hold on public education. They inseminate (and yes, that is exactly the word I mean) their views of liberal group-think and the distinct lack of any sort of absolute morality into the minds of our children so that by the time these kids finish (or are finished BY) college; liberalism is ingrained into their very nature. It's a massive setup by the father of Lies that began in the late 1950s and we never saw it coming. Now it is paying off in hugely Satanic dividends. As generation after generation is more and more liberally indoctrinated and those new professionals seep into the institutions that produced them (like teaching) it becomes a self generating machine. Don't worry, the end is almost in sight. RAPTURE READY?
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posted on
02/22/2011 12:05:52 PM PST
by
ExSoldier
("Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.")
To: Allthegoodusernamesaregone
Two words on how the Navy should handle this in the future: “Rule 303.”
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posted on
02/22/2011 12:05:52 PM PST
by
Winged Hussar
(http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
To: sickoflibs; samtheman; NFHale
7) pirates use surprise attacks with speed boats. Often the small crews of freightors don't even know the pirates are attacking until they're already climbing on board, even before that the boats can go 35 mph, which actually makes a fairly hard target to hit. ma duce and tracers, along with being aware of yer surroundings while in 'indian' country would make the pirates think twice...
its my understanding that the biggest prob is the various gun laws in differing countries, and many/most wouldnt allow even stowed/locked guns in their waters, much less in port, with penalties that make NYC look like candyland for any offense...
kinda screwed unless yer willin to toss yer weapons overboard everytime time ya make port...
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posted on
02/22/2011 12:06:22 PM PST
by
Gilbo_3
(Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
To: Aldebert
Is that Vattel’s Law of Nations?
To: Gilbo_3
This is one of those problems where you have to be suspicious over the ‘easy solution just not being taken’. Clearly this is a difficult one.
I remember my neighbors (and FNC BoR) telling me years ago that ethanol and windmills would make us energy independent. Try putting that windmill on a jet-liner.
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posted on
02/22/2011 12:14:51 PM PST
by
sickoflibs
("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
To: ExSoldier; hiredhand; NFHale; sickoflibs
liberalism is ingrained into their very nature. It's a massive setup by the father of Lies yesSir, long before i was born, it was a done deal that Id be brainwashed in the trough of collectivism...thankfully the Lord uses all that darkness to emphasize His Light...
as far as hidin a few weapons, sure its do-able, but man ifn ya get caught ,yer screwed, and the U.S. has more or less agreed to let ya twist in the breeze according to international 'law' rather than telling the collective 'world' to bite us...
THAT is the pity...and i dont know what kinda range these goons have, but it seems that sailing around their reach is more difficult than taking yer chances sailin thru em, at least til, like on the hi-way, yer number gets called to be pulled over...
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posted on
02/22/2011 12:20:12 PM PST
by
Gilbo_3
(Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
To: samtheman
Obama makes Carter look better every day.
Even Carter didn't get the hostages killed.
To: All; Allthegoodusernamesaregone
Four U.S. Navy warships made up a response force dedicated to recovering the S/V Quest: the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, the guided-missile cruiser USS Leyte Gulf, the guided-missile destroyers USS Sterett and USS Bulkeley. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! All those assets and the "negotiations" end with all four murdered?
To: ExSoldier
Well said brother! I've got three youngsters here at the house all 20 or younger. We saw what was going on in public schools when we returned from USAFE after almost all of the 1990s and DODS education system. The kids spent a year in public schools in Alabama, then about a year in N.C. and we became aware of things. When we tried to bring them to the attention of the school authorities, we were treated like rebels. So we pulled the two out that were in school at the time ON THE SPOT. One here (16 now) has never set foot in a public school. We homeschool and just didn't look back. We teach God's Word as the truth here, keep weapons (firearms) in the school, and prepare them to be functioning, adaptive, self motivated leaders.
The difference between mine (and others like mine) and public school kids is generally staggering. There's simply no comparison. Most parents have no idea what sorts of strategies are in place in public schools to gain control of the hearts and minds of their young people. It's satanic for certain and produces a self perpetuating corrupt individual who wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him between the eyes.
As a matter of fact, things are are indeed moving aren't they though! There's definitely a global power shift occurring right NOW. Our currency will soon collapse, Blue States are going to be very nasty places soon! Revelation 17:17 comes to mind...power shifting globally.
Liberalism is Satanic. The proof is in their actions and means. Observe them when they don't get what they want. They get angry...violent even. James wrote that anger is not of God and that it never produces godly fruit.
People should indeed be concerned. They SHOULD call on The Lord. What else is there? Our own nation is falling around us. Nobody knows whether they're going to have a job in another week. Every day that passes, we become reduced. Yet, people continue to trust things that waste and decline... unlike God and His promises which remain true.
A lot of people won't listen though... they'll hide in bunkers and stock up on food and ammo... Isiah 2:19 - 21 says a whole lot about this! Most people miss it though.
Anyway... that was a good word! Thanks!
To: Gilbo_3; ExSoldier; hiredhand; NFHale; samtheman
RE :”
yesSir, long before i was born, it was a done deal that Id be brainwashed in the trough of collectivism...thankfully the Lord uses all that darkness to emphasize His Light...”
Is it possible that the pirates would stop if Obama publicly apologized for some past grievance on our part? Maybe they just dont understand that with Obama as president we ALL are citizens of the world now. Maybe some sort of sensitivity training would help. Or he could tax the merchant ships to pay off the pirates like we do with criminals in the US Cities. Good old fashioned redistribution can fix anything.
There must be a misunderstanding here. All people are good, except maybe racists/sexist/homophobes like conservatives, Christians, white males and Tea party protesters, ...and CEOs, unless they own green companies like Gore.
See how easy it is ?? :)
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posted on
02/22/2011 12:36:31 PM PST
by
sickoflibs
("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; ExSoldier; hiredhand; NFHale; samtheman
I think it's possible to deter them. They can't be completely stopped. Not in this age. Unfortunately, piracy PAYS...big time. If Commanding Officers on naval vessels which catch them started summarily executing them and documenting it and publicizing it well, that would be a good start. But with our current leadership it's a lot like spitting in one hand and wishing in the other. Guess which one is going to fill first? :-)
To: hiredhand
well if we’re ‘spittin’ in a hand, THAT could take awhile...in the meantime, bambam & co. have already loaded the garden plot with wheelbarrows full of the ‘other’...8^}
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posted on
02/22/2011 1:03:05 PM PST
by
Gilbo_3
(Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
To: justice14
This whole thing with the Somali pirates is insane. We could take out their installation and most of them with just a few little missiles.
To: hiredhand; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; ExSoldier; NFHale
I still like the idea of Extreme Reality Cruises. I know it’s an idle daydream, but no more so, at this point in our history, than dreaming of a US President willing to take a stand against US enemies.
To: thethirddegree
there should have been no survivors among the pirates
To: hiredhand; Gilbo_3; ExSoldier; NFHale; samtheman
RE :”
I think it's possible to deter them<./i?” I thought it was interesting when the PRChinese navy ships started patrolling those waters looking for pirates. They are a world player now and consider their economic interests first. They know how to do business unlike SOME countries, ironic given PRC past.
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posted on
02/22/2011 1:17:38 PM PST
by
sickoflibs
("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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