Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

End Forced Unionism
The American Thinker ^ | February 27, 2011 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 02/27/2011 2:43:51 AM PST by Scanian

Where would we be without labor unions? We would be much better off.

Americans do not understand what "labor unions" mean. Nothing prevents a group of workers at a plant or office from getting together, signing an agreement which delegates power to negotiate contracts to certain representatives, and then proceeding with collective bargaining by those workers who chose to sign the agreement. That is not unionism; it is simply a business arrangement, much like when an athlete has an agent or a client has a lawyer.

The problem with unionism is that those who do not feel such an agreement is needed are compelled to surrender their right to bargain for their working conditions and compelled, as well, to support a vast, expensive bureaucracy of labor satraps. It is coercion of workers masked as industrial democracy. If 49% of the "represented" workers want a wage freeze but more vacation time, and that is not the official union position, then the union bosses are working against the interest of these workers. If many workers feel union rules reduce efficiency, and so the prospects of more jobs, those workers have to pay for the privilege of their representatives doing exactly the opposite of what these wish.

Coerced unions were always unnecessary, wasteful, and immoral -- and all unions today are coerced unions. Depending upon whether a state has a "closed shop" (only members of a union can be hired, and these must comply with union rules) or "union shop" (new employees must join the union after being hired), if a state has no right to work law, employers must negotiate with the union instead of the individual worker. Only 22 states now have right to work laws, although robust Republican state governments could add six more states to that column...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: coercionofworkers; collectivebargaining; immoral; waste; wisconsinshowdown

1 posted on 02/27/2011 2:43:55 AM PST by Scanian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Scanian

The unions were started by dedicated communists with the intent of turning this nation into a marxist/stalinist communist country.


2 posted on 02/27/2011 2:51:18 AM PST by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: exnavy

Thugs (strong-arming corporations, governments, and the Workers of the World) unite!


3 posted on 02/27/2011 3:48:21 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Scanian
Unions are totally against the character of America. Each employee should have the confidence and strength of character to negotiate his own employment terms.

As an employer I can say there is seldom a night that I don't go to bed asking myself what more I can do for my top employees.

4 posted on 02/27/2011 4:10:44 AM PST by The Duke
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: exnavy

No, the unions were created to counter very real abuses by and permitted by large companies. Then they were taken over by dedicated communists with the intent of turning this nation into a marxist/stalinist communist country.


5 posted on 02/27/2011 4:22:52 AM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Scanian

Yesterday I was setting a fire in my woodstove and came across a 2-page article from last summer in the NYTimes discussing the booming auto manufacturing in Alabama/Georgia - Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes, Honda, Toyota.

Of course, the “journal of record” punted on 2nd down, never delving into the “Why?” - other than a single sentence mentioning that none of these booming places are unionized, yet the workers still make comparable wages to the unionized folks to the north.
___

Redisticting - by the way, did you notice that almost every state gaining seats is a RTW state, and almost every state losing seats is a forced-union state?


6 posted on 02/27/2011 4:49:32 AM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (This Administration has absolutely no idea how to grow an economy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lowtaxsmallgov

“Redisticting - by the way, did you notice that almost every state gaining seats is a RTW state, and almost every state losing seats is a forced-union state?”

The only trouble with that is that many of the new arrivals are died-in-the-wool liberals from blue states who hate high taxes and economic slowness and yet still thaink liberalism has nothing to do with it.

Invariably, they bring their rotten voting habits with them and “there goes the neighborhood.”


7 posted on 02/27/2011 5:00:12 AM PST by Scanian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Scanian

“Invariably, they bring their rotten voting habits with them and “there goes the neighborhood.”

You paint with a brush that’s too broad. Everyone I know that left the socialist state of Michigan for the south is conservative.

The problem in the south, as I see it, is that the citizens here vote conservative in national elections, but vote democrat in local elections, because my daddy, grandaddy and great-grandaddy voted democrat.

It’s a major reality disconnect, although I’m starting to see these voters slowly wake up and realize that a local democrat is as slimey as a national democrat.


8 posted on 02/27/2011 5:18:37 AM PST by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Scanian

Don’t you just love all of those Union thugs walking around with big signs saying “FREEDOM’ on them?

FREEDOM??????? Is an individual’s right to work FREEDOM or is FREEDOM defined as having to work in a no right to work state the definition of the word. Is it freedom when you are forced to join a union just to be able to work, feed your family and to simply live?

HELL NO!

Get these Marxist goons out of the Wisconsin capital and arrest all who enter the floor to disrupt. Next, vote for immediate recall of all Senate Democrats who left the state in lieu of doing the business of the state.

I watch all of this getting madder than hell at the fact that no action is being taken to punish elected officials who have flaunted the fact that the have no intention in performing the duties they swore to perform.


9 posted on 02/27/2011 5:19:11 AM PST by DH (The Second Amendment is the only protection for the First Amendment)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Scanian

Yes, understood - I was pointing to a cause (better public policy - ie RTW - leads to superior opportunities), and you mention an unfortunate effect, those opportunities might attract losers from rust-bucket blue-states. This is a problem New Hampshire has, folks move in from Massachusetts to escape high taxes, and then inexplicably want to impose their leftist high-tax nonsense - basically like inviting someone over on a hot day, and they peee in your pool.

This is why red states should cut off as much government hand-outs as possible. Low taxes attract productive people to the state, and meanwhile reducing hand-outs will force rent-seekers to move out to dumb-ass blue states like NY and CA.


10 posted on 02/27/2011 5:24:48 AM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (This Administration has absolutely no idea how to grow an economy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Scanian

Yes, understood - I was pointing to a cause (better public policy - ie RTW - leads to superior opportunities), and you mention an unfortunate effect, those opportunities might attract losers from rust-bucket blue-states. This is a problem New Hampshire has, folks move in from Massachusetts to escape high taxes, and then inexplicably want to impose their leftist high-tax nonsense - basically like inviting someone over on a hot day, and they peee in your pool.

This is why red states should cut off as much government hand-outs as possible. Low taxes attract productive people to the state, and meanwhile reducing hand-outs will force rent-seekers to move out to dumb-ass blue states like NY and CA.


11 posted on 02/27/2011 5:24:53 AM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (This Administration has absolutely no idea how to grow an economy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: sergeantdave

Nancy Pelosi was a rude awakening regarding the Myth of the Blue Dog - people finally realizing that a vote for a Democrat - even a conservative (what?) one - is still a vote for a far left agenda.

In 2012 we should target the elmination of all remaining “Blue Dogs” - how about the Red Wolf Coalition to wipe ‘em out for good?

Regarding the “disconnect”, it seems to varies state by state. The process is a top-to-bottom inversion. First President, then Senate, then House, then down through the state legislatures, and...

For example, Arkansas has been very slow to turn over - much slower than, say, Alabama - but in 2010 a Senate seat flipped, and 2 House seats. Hoping Mike Ross (Blue Dog in AR04) can get punched out in 2012, and in 2014 Mark Pryor goes the way of Blanche Lincoln.


12 posted on 02/27/2011 5:46:08 AM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (This Administration has absolutely no idea how to grow an economy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: lowtaxsmallgov

I understand what you are saying.

I posted a couple articles this morning that reminded me of some of the people attracted to Florida-—liberals seeking lower taxes and old folks who dress like teenage beach bunnies.


13 posted on 02/27/2011 6:22:13 AM PST by Scanian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Scanian

Bump


14 posted on 02/27/2011 6:25:29 AM PST by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: DH

If you are getting mad just imagine how the taxpayers up there must feel.

Relax, it’s taking its effect.


15 posted on 02/27/2011 6:25:35 AM PST by Scanian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: sergeantdave

Re: Waking up to realize local dens as slimy as national dems.

From your lips to God’s ears!


16 posted on 02/27/2011 6:28:54 AM PST by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: DH
Is it freedom when you are forced to join a union just to be able to work, feed your family and to simply live?

In other words, "you will not get this job unless you pay me a cut off the top of every paycheck."

I have never understood why that isn't considered, in the legal sense, to be criminal extortion.

17 posted on 02/27/2011 6:31:57 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: sergeantdave

Take a quick glace at Broward and Palm Beach Counties in FL, their demographics and voting habits and see how broad you think the brush is.

What you are saying I found to be true when I lived in Georgia but the Yanks who move to FL are far more liberal Democrat. And OLD(meaning a lot depend a great deal on SocSec $ and Medicare).

Cobb and Cherokee Counties in GA had plenty of transplants who didn’t get the old locals riled up much at all because they liked what they moved to. I wish I could say the same thing about FL but I really can’t, unfortunately.


18 posted on 02/27/2011 6:32:27 AM PST by Scanian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: DH
And don't you just love the Dept. of Labor being nothing more than an enabler for the radical/socialist/communist scumbags that lead these unions and support them with the vitriol they so decried after the Gifford's shooting? Where is Sheriff Dumbass Dupnick railing against the rehtoric of the leftists?

THEY ARE ALL HYPOCRITES!!!

19 posted on 02/27/2011 6:41:20 AM PST by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Scanian

I learned my lesson about unions when I was working my way through college. They didn’t follow their own seniority rules and had me fired when I couldn’t afford to pay my dues because of the cutback in hours I received even though I was the senior worker. Unions are just another good-old-boy network. “I got mine, and I got my friends and family-members theirs, and you can kiss my behind.” Look at how many friends and family members “work” together in union shops.


20 posted on 02/27/2011 7:13:25 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blueunicorn6

I worked two summers in a TWUA shop when I was in college but wasn’t required to join the union because it was considered a temporary job. All I kept hearing from people on the job was “slow down”. They didn’t want to look bad and that’s what I was doing, making them look bad. I was tired at the end of the day, but it was that good kind of tired where I knew I earned my pay. My job took me all over the mill and I eventually discovered all the union hiding spots. I was very neutral, if not totally ambivalent about unions prior to that experience. That changed it all.


21 posted on 02/27/2011 7:23:08 AM PST by trubolotta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Scanian

“Take a quick glace at Broward and Palm Beach Counties in FL, their demographics and voting habits and see how broad you think the brush is.”

I understand what you’re saying. Much work needs to be done to correct areas like this. About 600,000 Michigan residents left that hellhole for other places, and most are hard-working individuals or entrepreneurs.


22 posted on 02/27/2011 7:23:28 AM PST by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: sergeantdave

One day you will have a rude awakening I fear. They almost always start voting for what they left behind.


23 posted on 02/27/2011 7:51:50 AM PST by Jukeman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Scanian

anyone have any idea the $$$$$$$$ involved in union dues across the country in a years time?


24 posted on 02/27/2011 8:06:33 AM PST by conservativesister
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: magslinger

**Then they were taken over by dedicated communists***

Commies have tried this in every facet of American life.
The tried to take over the movie industry in the 1930s but failed due to obstinate movie moguls. they have now succeded.
In Music they took over the folk music industry and infiltrated the following.
Teaching.
Preaching.
TV.
newspapers and magazines.
Democratic party.

They have hit us with everything they can on all fronts.


25 posted on 02/27/2011 8:14:52 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: magslinger
No, the unions were created to counter very real abuses by and permitted by large companies. Then they were taken over by dedicated communists with the intent of turning this nation into a marxist/stalinist communist country.

When I first started selling computers in the mid-60s, at Burroughs Corporation, I asked my branch manager why our production of systems took so much longer compared to our competition.

He told me it was because {being headquartered in Detroit} our production workers were union workers and our competitors were not.

I got a sales job with a different company {non-union} and rarely worked for a union company again.

I'd say never, but once or twice the company that I was working for was bought by a union company.

For me, during the 70s, 80s, 90s, the best computer/system/software companies to work for were start-ups {mostly California}, great commission plans and if the company really blew it out, the stock plans were terrific.

The one thing I really loves about sales was, if you did your job, made your numbers {or better} you were rewarded, if not you were fired.

Made sense to me, no union to protect the people that {for whatever reason} didn't make their number.

I got whacked twice, once my own fault, the other time not, but too bad, and life went on.

26 posted on 02/27/2011 8:26:29 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, in honor of Standing Wolf.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: magslinger
I was born and raised in Flint, Mi. I am well aware of the history of unions, and stand by my original statement.

The unions were founded by card carrying communists with the intent of turning this nation in that direction.

27 posted on 02/27/2011 1:17:05 PM PST by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: conservativesister

My estimate would be in the single digit billions. As in one to nine, depending on the year.


28 posted on 02/27/2011 1:21:09 PM PST by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson