Posted on 03/26/2011 12:31:16 AM PDT by neverdem
Ad hominem Fallacy!
NOTE: I can't claim to be a political activist investing my time and treasure towards the re-legalization of marijuana, cocaine, etc., but I, too, am convinced that the "War on Some Drugs" is morally wrong, impractical, fiscally irresponsible, and counter-productive (just as Prohibition was in the 1920s and 30s), and also support that position with my legal right to vote.
I don't think that that can be equated with "advancing the drug culture," if that's what you're implying.
A line has been drawn.
What does that mean? Who drew a line, and why?
Why can't alcohol be enough?
Why can't Kool-Aid be enough? Why can't 45 mph / 35 horsepower be enough? Why can't 256 kilobyte RAM be enough? Who needs more than one brand of margarine? Why can't two t.v. channels be enough? Let the individual decide!
In his diary for August 7, 1765, George Washington writes, "Began to separate the Male from the Female hemp … rather too late."
FACT: Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were (rather unsuccessful) hemp (i.e., marijuana) growers and dealers.
This is about what kind of society you want your children to grow up in.
It's precisely because I don't want my children growing up in such a sick, repressive society governed by an all-powerful Nanny State that I favor re-legalization.
Regards,
I would ask what drugs would become legal under the No More War on Drugs Regime? and how?
cocaine? heroin? crack? meth? or just marijauna? and legal in what quanties? and would it be manufacture? sales? or simple pocession that would be legalized? Would imports be allowed?
What of the pot smokers who can’t a MM card or can everyone get one?
I don’t think it is difficult. You wouldn’t believe the ads running in newspapers and on cable TV. I’m told that if you choose to use edible pot to “medicate” yourself they allow you to grow twice as much for yourself. There was also a deal wherein if you grow your own you can sell it to the pot “pharmacies” but they said that has been curtailed.
You are correct. Its about freedom and liberty. Its a never-ending struggle against those who wish to impose more of a totalitarian Nanny State.
If we made drugs legal here I don’t care what Mexico and Canada do.
If they keep drugs illegal there - all the money would be made there.
Buy pot packs at the local quick stop and tax the heck out of it. Let John and Mary put a couple pot plants in their back yard.
BUT - a person wants to do drugs? They need to make sure they work for a company that does not do drug tests. Just like tobacco these days.
My other random thought is that the WOD makes me a bit nervous when I buy a used car, since I never know if the previous owner stashed some goodies that a cop's dog might find two years hence and use that reason to sieze my vehicle and destroy my life.
A line has been drawn. Why can’t alcohol be enough?
This is about what kind of society you want your children to grow up in.
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Those who are against the War or Drugs are **not** advocating the use of drugs.
Drugs are already freely available. There is already a free market ( although it is a black market) in drugs. Despite the trillions spent on the “Drug War” the street cost of drugs doesn’t budge.
Even I could easily and quickly find and purchase drugs, right here in our little, red state, and rural county, and I am a 64 year old grandmother who is fully active in a church that proscribes alcohol and illegal drugs.
The problem with prohibition of drugs is the same problem that we saw with prohibition of alcohol. We see the formation of corrupt gangs, mafias, and evil combinations that reach into the highest levels of our government and law enforcement.
I’m surprised that the American Thinker has jumped on this, but they’re basically right. The WOD is just providing a de facto economic subsidy for the drug cartels and gangbangers. Not to mention corrupting police who shift their priorities toward drug law enforcement to take advantage of the property seizures.
The WOD has proven to be an epic failure. This is like so many other issues in that the states need to plot their own course. I suspect that given the choice some states will decide to legalize as much as they can, while others will remain in prohibition mode, with others taking a middle tack.
There are a lot of good arguments here, for and against. I guess I have to come down on the side of ending this farce called the WOD.
I could care less what one person or another medicates themselves with as long as they aren’t working for me at something critical.
What I do care about is the rule of law. Our government has enacted a law that is unenforceable. Our citizens, by an overwhelming number choose to ignore this law. If this law is viewed in such a derogatory manner by such a number of citizens, could not a citizen reasonably conclude that there are most likely many more laws which are equally absurd and should be ignored as well.
And what should a citizen conclude about the people tasked with enforcing this ineffectual and offensive, ignored law? What level of respect should be afforded to them, if any? How should a man’s neighbors feel about the cops who took away a family’s home because they found a half a dozen plants growing behind the chicken coop?
I like most all of the cops that I know here locally. Most of them were born and raised here. I have every confidence that should I ever be in trouble and need their help, they will be here. I don’t like the idea that young people in our community might not respect our LEO’s to the degree that they should because of some of the outdated laws they are asked to enforce.
I want our laws to be respected and obeyed, all of them. If there are some stupid laws, get rid of them.
Why not legalize all drugs. The new health care plan makes a lot of OTC drugs prescription only so the drug comapnies make more money.
I would make the illegal drugs 1,000 times more potent so the druggies can fry their brains faster and die.
“There is always soma, delicious soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end....”
So wrote Aldous Huxley in “Brave New World.”
Legal or illegal, our nation’s addiction is taking us down the road to a “Brave New World” - a destination that can destroy us.
Unemployed, half-employed, poorly educated, absorbed by the latest sensation, we have millions who turn to drugs for relief from reality. That just won’t stand very long.
“Land of the free, home of the brave”. Hey, I have no desire to use what are now illegal drugs, and I am subject to random drug tests at work, and that is fine with me (Pilot, and I am sure it is fine with you)
My problem with our present drug laws is the nanny state taking our freedoms to protect us from ourselves. Like putting us in a child’s play pen, or a velvet lined cage for our own good. Some might not mind being treated like a child, but I do.
Motorcycle helmets, seat belt laws, drugs that require a prescription, and stupid labels that tell me not to stick my hands into a operating lawn mower or not to use the wrong end of a chainsaw.
-Really, think about it. We are doing nature and our gene pool a severe disservice by denying nature the cleansing process of natural selection, and survival of the fittest. 500 years from now we are going to be too stupid to survive without big government.
(And anyone who wears a helmet while riding a bike looks to me like metrosexual wimp, sorry)
Guess I'm a loser, lol! Maybe it was all the drinking I did in college and my early 20s... (I did ALOT of drinking, working in a beach bar). I just don't like to drink...I don't like the way it makes me feel. I have no use for other drugs either, but for one. I graduated high school in the 70s... I remember pot and would chose it over alcohol every time, were it an option.
Just my humble opinion.
I have not problem with that, even though I would never use a prostitute. Gambling is already legal, for the Indians and a couple select locations like Vegas. Why not? You are not going to stop it with laws. Personal choices that don’t directly effect another’s liberty should be free from regulation.
Now we are at the point of defining what that point is that directly effects another’s liberty, and that is another big discussion.
We learned a lesson with prohibition. Apply it to other intoxicants. The net effect of Prohibition was loss of respect for the law and consolidation of power by organized crime. Do away with drug laws, and the power of the organized crime will wither.
It has long been my opinion that nothing will change re: the WOD until conservatives get behind the move for change. It needs to be openly talked about in politically conservative circles, IMHO.
“Drug gangs would lose their source of income and would cease being able to buy weapons, bribe officials with big money, and assassinate people. They would stop being able to terrorize people on the streets, travelers on America’s borders, or the country of Mexico”
That’s right. If we legalize drugs, the criminal element in our society would suddenly become law abiding citizens. I also have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell.
Laws do not create crime. Criminals create crime. We ended Prohibition, so the criminals turned to gambling. We legalized gambling in many places, so the criminals turned to drugs. If we legalize drugs, where will the criminals go? The asnwer has already appeared- sex slaves. Will we then legalize that?
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