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US Using Low-Flying Gunships In Libya
The Miami Herald ^ | March 28, 2011 | By Robert Burns

Posted on 03/29/2011 6:29:02 AM PDT by Strategy

A top military official says the U.S. was striking Libyan targets with low-flying Air Force AC-130 gunships and A-10 Thunderbolts over the weekend, bolstering speculation that the U.S. air missions have served to support rebels seeking to overthrow Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: aerospace; gunships; islam; libya; lybia; obama
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1 posted on 03/29/2011 6:29:04 AM PDT by Strategy
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To: Strategy

If you are going to conduct illegal war, conduct illegals war. Whoever gave the order should be tried for war crimes. You cannot have war crime trials of people and then do the same crap yourself.


2 posted on 03/29/2011 6:36:01 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Strategy

My guess is that we now have boots on the ground as liaison and controlling the air strikes.


3 posted on 03/29/2011 6:37:39 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Strategy

seems like this Qaddafi problem could have been resolved with a single way placed bullet. How much does a single well placed bullet cost? How much will this “kinetic military action” cost?


4 posted on 03/29/2011 6:38:25 AM PDT by RC one ("merchants have no country")
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To: RC one
How much does a single well placed bullet cost?

A lot less than $100 million a day. That's for sure.

5 posted on 03/29/2011 6:41:20 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Strategy
Vice Adm. William Gortney, staff director for the Joint Chiefs, insists that the U.S. is not coordinating attacks with the opposition forces or using airstrikes in direct support to help them gain ground.

Word mincing alert. Nah, pounding the piss out of Gadaffi's armor and little technicals couldn't possibly support the rebels in gaining ground.

6 posted on 03/29/2011 6:41:59 AM PDT by Sax
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To: RC one

Obama needs to save face at the cost of taxpayers. Indirectly, we’re putting our boys in harms way in Libya and we’re paying $100 million a day to help Obama save face and move up in the polls so he can increase his chances of winning in 2012.


7 posted on 03/29/2011 6:43:32 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: RC one

I actually thought the our military was watching “kinetic action” not in a “kinetic military action”? Man i wish the “Won” would clarify this.


8 posted on 03/29/2011 6:45:45 AM PDT by DeadFurrow (Your rights end where mine begins.)
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To: Sax
Well, I don;t see any of our Congress coming out with questions about the legality of it so why would the average American (not us) believe there's something fishy going on.

The average American does not even know the difference between enforcing a No Fly Zone and an aerial intervention in a civil war.

Sadly, they depend on our Representatives to notice that and do something.

9 posted on 03/29/2011 6:46:57 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Strategy
A top military official says the U.S. was striking Libyan targets with low-flying Air Force AC-130 gunships and A-10 Thunderbolts over the weekend, bolstering speculation that the U.S. air missions have served to support rebels seeking to overthrow Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

Exactly who are the "rebels" and what is their relationship to Al-Qaeda? Exactly who are we killing with our gunships? Why? I do not understand. What will overthrowing Gadhafi accomplish, besides creating another country controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda hostile to Christians and the USA?

People from the middle east use the word "democracy" to please the westerners; they do not know what democracy is.

10 posted on 03/29/2011 6:49:19 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Strategy

Obama is looking for another Mogadishu on his hands, and just when one thinks he cannot do any worse as POTUS he proves them wrong.


11 posted on 03/29/2011 6:49:40 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: tsowellfan
He feels at home screwing around in Africa.

The people in Tripoloi have Osama Bin Ladens Qaida boys approaching from the east, Barak Huissein Obama Bombing from the north, and Mohmar Gadaffie bombing from the west.

Now that's a Meat Grinding Muzzie circle jerk if I ever saw one. The longer this lasts, the better.

12 posted on 03/29/2011 6:53:25 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Strategy

Preparing the ground to send in ground forces in April or May.


13 posted on 03/29/2011 6:55:43 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: PA-RIVER

Only problem is until Biden takes over the Presidency due to Barak Huissein Obama’s law breaking, Obama has hijacked our military :(


14 posted on 03/29/2011 6:57:51 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Strategy
They'll take out those tanks before they can violate that “No Fly Zone”?
15 posted on 03/29/2011 6:58:12 AM PDT by McGruff (Libya. A Wag The Dog scenario designed to prevent a government shutdown?)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Your guess would be correct. They have been there scouting landing zones and doing FAC.


16 posted on 03/29/2011 6:59:14 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Strategy
Obama's getting bad press on this... for example, AP's Ann Gearan said:

The Nobel Peace Prize winner never used the word "war" to describe what's happening in Libya, but made a point of addressing what the conflict he chose "says about the use of America's military power, and America's broader leadership in the world, under my presidency."

The blush is off the rose.

17 posted on 03/29/2011 6:59:36 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: tsowellfan

We’re doing Air Interdiction, which is basically almost the same as Close Air Support just minus the coordination with the troops on the ground and supposedly separated by more space. You can easily and purposefully blur the lines between AI and CAS without much effort.

I still firmly believe we need to understand more about the rebels, who they are, their intention, goals and vision of the end-game. I think we could easily usher in a bigger problem to the US than Gadaffi himself if we are not intelligent about this.


18 posted on 03/29/2011 7:00:31 AM PDT by Sax
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To: Thunder90
Preparing the ground to send in ground forces in April or May.

.... or more likely to acknowledge that they've been there for a while.

19 posted on 03/29/2011 7:00:45 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: quantim
I was thinking that this morning too... Black Hawk down.

But I have hopes for a stalemate giving a protracted bloody civil war, where we just keep lobbing bombs into the middle of Gadaffi and Bin Ladens Al Qaida forces.

If Obama wins, Al Qaida will have its first country.

20 posted on 03/29/2011 7:01:41 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Strategy
This bad boy is not intended to enforce a "No Fly Zone":


21 posted on 03/29/2011 7:03:21 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Going to Charlotte for the barbecue is like going to Minneapolis for the gumbo - John Reed)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

We have had boots on the ground for at least two weeks.


22 posted on 03/29/2011 7:04:25 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Going to Charlotte for the barbecue is like going to Minneapolis for the gumbo - John Reed)
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To: PA-RIVER
“If Obama wins, Al Qaida will have its first country”

It's been their goal all along... now, they can have it sooner and better... compliments of the US/European forces and because of the US/European ignorance.

23 posted on 03/29/2011 7:05:06 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Sax

Jihadis who killed Americans get U.S. support in Libya

http://tinyurl.com/4ufd4j7


24 posted on 03/29/2011 7:06:36 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Michael.SF.

And the thunderbolt has a 12’, 30MM gatling gun. They are going after more than troops. That 105 will take out a reinforced bunker.


25 posted on 03/29/2011 7:07:16 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: 70th Division

Don’t worry, Biden’s watching this. I hope he gets hungry for the Presidency. I’m sure you already know Biden opposes Obama on getting involved in Libya.


26 posted on 03/29/2011 7:09:08 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Sax

Some of the rebels are fighting toe to toe with the Libyan military and winning, even when the air support is not present. Someone is coordinating the rebel advances and calling in CAS for them.


27 posted on 03/29/2011 7:11:13 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: tsowellfan
Yes, the King of Saudi has ordered the Kenyan King of America to bomb Libya. American Troops are just the pawns in this drama. And we pay for this crap.

My 19 year old boy isn't going near this crap. The Kenyan King can kiss my a$$.

28 posted on 03/29/2011 7:12:52 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Strategy
500 mile stretches of Libya make Twenty-Nine Palms look lush and green. There is no way to mask the movement of armored units in this sandbox. This is a turkey shoot for gunships and A-10s. Not to mention UAV's.

However, as one approaches the coast, there are well wooded mountains and it is lush enough to give cover to the tanks and artillery pounding Misurata and blasting the harbor where the relief ships are trying to get in. A pity we haven't a real battleship or even a couple of heavy cruisers to secure the perimeter with counter-battery fire ... a lot cheaper than the million-dollar a round missiles.

Undoubtedly there are laser painter teams on the ground, and helos will be needed to suppress sniper fire from the rooftops and tall buildings.

Who knows how well Gadaffi is organized. He could pull back into the desert and run a harassing operation for a long time. Got to blast him in the coastal strip. He probably has 10 years worth of COMBLOC hardware and ammo stashed around the country.

Except that we shouldn't be there at all, this seems an excellent adventure so far! With all the different AFs, it reminds me a bit of the old "Blackhawk" comic series! I wonder why the Gyppos aren't in it. They have 425 Thousand men under arms and they could use the exercise, not to mention control of an oil field or two along the Eastern border.

OOPS! Bless me O politically Correct fathers, I have sinned in thought and word!

29 posted on 03/29/2011 7:15:38 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Anybody notice that BOTH Barry and Michelle were asked off the Illinois Bar? Anybody wonder why?)
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To: Michael.SF.
A-10s and AC-130s. BIG time killing machines. Army and Marine Attack copters are next. I just wish they unleashed these more aggressively in Iraq and Afghanistan. Along with some B-52 carpet bombing.

What happened to enforcing a no-fly zone? This is full up (Islamic) nation building effort.

30 posted on 03/29/2011 7:20:17 AM PDT by Never on my watch (WTF happened to my country?)
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To: Strategy

Are those A-10s the most well-suited aircraft we have for air-to-air combat? The purpose of a no-fly zone is to prevent the enemy from flying, is it not?

I wonder what the A-10’s air-to-air combat record is over its history...


31 posted on 03/29/2011 7:20:59 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: Sax

BS! If we have close in air support, you can bet your ass that there are americans on the ground calling in the strikes. That is how it works.


32 posted on 03/29/2011 7:22:40 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: Sax
If he insists that we are not, then that means that we are.

If the Military Brass will do this , under the guise of "I was only obeying orders", then you can bet your ass that when they are given the order to open fire on Americans, they will.

33 posted on 03/29/2011 7:26:08 AM PDT by sport
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To: Roklok

I don’t think anyone’s really doubted that we certainly had FACs, Special Operations personnel, etc. on the ground before the first US shot was fired. They’re just not acknowledged as “boots on the ground.”


34 posted on 03/29/2011 7:26:52 AM PDT by Sax
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To: Strategy

If we’re in there with AC-130s and A-10s, this isn’t like any “no fly zone” I’ve ever heard of....


35 posted on 03/29/2011 7:26:52 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: PA-RIVER

I’m so happy my Governor told him publically he can go to he#$.


36 posted on 03/29/2011 7:31:07 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: KoRn
If we’re in there with AC-130s and A-10s, this isn’t like any “no fly zone” I’ve ever heard of..

Obama's insulting our intelligence. He actually thinks we're stupid.

37 posted on 03/29/2011 7:32:19 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Michael.SF.

Could we call it what it is......?

A “Don’t Move Zone.”


38 posted on 03/29/2011 7:36:56 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama channeling TR: "Speak incessantly and carry a little schtick.")
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To: Strategy

So if this is supposed to end Wednesday, that means Muammar just has to button down for another 36 hours?


39 posted on 03/29/2011 7:38:27 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama channeling TR: "Speak incessantly and carry a little schtick.")
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To: tsowellfan
What Governor?

The more I think abut this, it is purely an African Muslim conflict, and the American people have absolutely no interest in this.

However, Our African Muslim President does, and so we all get to go to war.

40 posted on 03/29/2011 7:44:48 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Strategy

Apparently obama has given a muslim military force the most powerful close air support in the world.


41 posted on 03/29/2011 7:45:15 AM PDT by east1234 (Cut, Kill, Dig and Drill!)
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To: cookcounty
If Al Qaida takes Tripoli, heads will roll.
42 posted on 03/29/2011 7:47:16 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER
Gov. LePage of Maine. He's our first republican governor in years.

Also, when the NAACP criticised him for refusing to meet with them on Martin Luther King Day he said "The NAACP can kiss my A**".

43 posted on 03/29/2011 7:52:09 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: east1234
We all need to be vigilant. Libya must have people here ready to take revenge against our Islamic leadership.

We could be looking at a very nasty summer.

44 posted on 03/29/2011 7:59:45 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: cookcounty

I like that.


45 posted on 03/29/2011 8:02:53 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Going to Charlotte for the barbecue is like going to Minneapolis for the gumbo - John Reed)
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To: PA-RIVER

We might just see the “won” spend his Summer (possibly the rest of his term) at Camp David, for his safety. Your are absolutely correct, in warning us, to be vigilant.


46 posted on 03/29/2011 8:18:08 AM PDT by DeadFurrow (Your rights end where mine begins.)
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To: tsowellfan
....."He actually thinks we're stupid."......

Well, "we" elected him in a landslide. Seems pretty stupid to me. Didn't you get any "Obama stash" money? Those were the smart ones that elected him.

And one more thing, "we" may re elect him if we don't find the right Republican. We still have to go through the torture of a primary and listen to "If you vote for him/her, they can't beat Obama", so we vote for some Rino thinking we have to to get rid of Obama. If unemployment goes to 7% or so, watch them say we can't go back to those bad old days that gave us 4% unemployment and a 14k DOW. He's not going to be as easy to beat as some think.

47 posted on 03/29/2011 8:27:31 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
listen to "If you vote for him/her, they can't beat Obama"

I know what you mean... even worse is when one republican says... ""If my guy don't win, I'll stay home"

48 posted on 03/29/2011 8:30:26 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: RC one
seems like this Qaddafi problem could have been resolved with a single way placed bullet.

True, but not by any of the rebels. Of all the news clips shown on TV 24/7, have you seen these clowns fire a weapon, any weapon, anywhere but up in the air??? The sky over Libya must be saturated with lead by now.

49 posted on 03/29/2011 8:45:37 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: DeadFurrow
Like the Mafia, Muzzies will will target each other after a muzzie double cross like this.

Huissein was sending Mohmmar money just a month ago, and now he's bombing him. That's cold.

50 posted on 03/29/2011 8:54:53 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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