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Judge rules 3 percent wage hit for teachers' retirement health care is unlawful (Michigan)
M Live ^ | 4/04/11 | Peter Luke

Posted on 04/04/2011 3:22:50 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: wbarmy

Are you really paying now for a future unsecured medical benefit when you retire? That seems to be the issue here — not paying for this year’s benefits, but putting into an account for the promise of retirement medical benefits.

I would guess that requiring the retirees to pay more for the medical benefit would be constitutional — just taking some of their money now isn’t.

Of course, social security is just taking our money now for some future unsecured promise of benefits that congress can take away at any time — but maybe the Michigan constitution has more protections than the U.S. constitution.


61 posted on 04/04/2011 6:54:38 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Libloather

....well you taxpayers will just have to fork over more money. :D


62 posted on 04/04/2011 7:08:45 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Libloather

This particular judge, who thankfully is retiring, has been the biggest activist judge in Michigan for a couple decades. This ruling was entirely anticipated once they judge-shopped and got the case into his court.

The Legislature and Governor Engler once ended appropriations for a welfare program for single non-disabled adults. Even though the funding was removed from the budget for the next year, this judge ruled that funding should continue because the recipients had an expectation that the program would continue.

Needless to say, that laughable ruling was overturned by the higher courts (otherwise you could never end a government program).


63 posted on 04/04/2011 7:23:24 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Libloather

So if they means test social security the government can’t collect SS tax payments because the benefit isn’t guaranteed?


64 posted on 04/04/2011 7:49:52 PM PDT by DB
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To: Hardastarboard
A few years back a judge in Kansas actually decided that a school district was under funded, took it over and directed how it was to be run, RAISED taxes to pay for it, and then ultimately it failed anyway.

Same story? Dated this March -

Kansas: Judge Dismisses Suit Challenging School Budget Cap
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 11, 2011

Parents in a wealthy suburban Kansas City school district cannot seek to raise property taxes above a state limit because it could bring down the state’s entire school financing system, a federal judge ruled Friday. Parents in the Shawnee Mission district claimed in a lawsuit that state school financing was inadequate; they sought a temporary injunction that would allow the district to ask voters for a local tax increase. But Judge John W. Lungstrum of Federal District Court dismissed the suit, saying the local option budget cap, which limits the amount of money local school districts can raise, is not severable from the rest of the financing formula. The local option tax is capped so wealthy districts do not have an unfair advantage over poorer ones.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/us/12brfs-JUDGEDISMISS_BRF.html

65 posted on 04/04/2011 8:03:08 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Libloather

From a judge.

The same breed who ruled about ten years ago that Kansas City had to tax the people to the tune of about a billion dollars to upgrade all the “underprivileged” schools.

Folks, at what point do we stop deluding ourselves and simply call this what it is: tyranny.


66 posted on 04/04/2011 8:04:56 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Libloather

Not guaranteed? Oh well, guess they’ll have to nuke their benefits. Thanks for the good counsel, judge.


67 posted on 04/04/2011 8:09:22 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Gen-X-Dad
The solution is simple to reign in judicial activism, the legislative branch just refuses to do it. All that is necessary is to escort the offending judge in front of a oversight committee, read him or her the riot act for overstepping their jurisdiction, and then defund their court and have other courts take up their cases. After a few of these examples, the judicial branch would start to clue in that they are not the ones making or funding the laws.

In a lot of cases of "judicial activism", I think the legislature WANTS the judge to legislate from the bench, in order to provide cover to the legislature. In this way, the unelected judge is the target of anger rather than elected politicians.

In much the same way, politicians allow executive-branch bureaucrats to legislate via regulation, so that the unelected bureaucrats are the targets of voter anger.

68 posted on 04/04/2011 8:47:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Libloather

Hey! try this one out on your boss tomorrow. “You can’t charge me for health care! Its unconstitutional because its not mandatory.”


69 posted on 04/04/2011 8:51:01 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Libloather
He said school employees “have been given no assurance that they will ever benefit. What is beyond speculation is the undisputed fact that the Legislature has the unfettered power to change or eliminate all benefits.”

America... kiss your freedom and your *ss goodby...

70 posted on 04/04/2011 8:51:58 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Libloather
This is the kind of judicial crap you get when they are educated from k through law school in socialist doctrine. Destroy your local school system before it destroys you...
71 posted on 04/04/2011 8:54:27 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Libloather
These Leftie judges contact Leftie Central for marching orders and then dutifully poop out opinions consistent with Leftie ideology. Or... the naked pictures get published...It's all corrupt, folks. Its all corrupt. We let our freedom slip through our hands. We were too busy enjoying life to notice we were being overthrown.
72 posted on 04/04/2011 8:59:46 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: PapaBear3625
In a lot of cases of "judicial activism", I think the legislature WANTS the judge to legislate from the bench, in order to provide cover to the legislature. In this way, the unelected judge is the target of anger rather than elected politicians. In much the same way, politicians allow executive-branch bureaucrats to legislate via regulation, so that the unelected bureaucrats are the targets of voter anger.

SOunds to me like we need a new system of government...

73 posted on 04/04/2011 9:01:51 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Rebelbase
Can’t the Wisconsin Legislature cut the judicial branch’s funding by the amount needed to fund the teacher’s retirement health insurance?

HA! Just set the pay scale to the Lefties sacred Minimum Wage! "Social Justice? No problem, your Honor. Please bend over..."

74 posted on 04/04/2011 9:06:53 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: verklaring

Excellent point.


75 posted on 04/04/2011 9:19:21 PM PDT by CanadianYankee
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To: Libloather
Judge rules 3 percent wage hit for teachers' retirement health care is unlawful (Michigan)

Wow, it never occurred to me. The budget crisis solution has been in front of us the whole time! Simply declare running out of money to be illegal! The genius of it!

76 posted on 04/04/2011 9:19:30 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: Principled

“Just eliminate the health benefit.”

On a similar note, stop paying for health care but keep the benefit. Adjust the salary of every employee by the cost of health insurance minus 3% and let them pay for it on a sign up basis with the new salary adjustment.

I am sure the insurance companies would love that. No more guaranteed money.


77 posted on 04/05/2011 3:37:07 AM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Seems a win-win for the Left. Make a mockery out of the American Judicial system while using it against us.


78 posted on 04/05/2011 3:58:33 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Libloather

The ruling isn’t logical. For the current year he state should deduct 3% as indeed, there is a health benefit in place. if in the future the benefit isn’t there, then there would be no reason to deduct 3% anymore and the state would cease. The judiciary is a co-equal, but not superior, branch of government. The state needs to learn to ignore them when they over reach.


79 posted on 04/05/2011 4:09:29 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: Libloather
My story was from a few years ago. My rememberance of the story was a bit fuzzy, so I did some research. Here's the link (no time to recall how to post as a link - sorry).

http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1614/article_detail.asp

80 posted on 04/05/2011 4:12:27 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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