Posted on 04/20/2011 12:17:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
For the first time, Rep. Michele Bachmann – who is actively considering a run for the White House in 2012 -- has said that the birth certificate President Obama has released to the public puts an end to the "birther" issue. It came when I showed her the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth published on FactCheck.org.
It happened this morning on “GMA.” Here’s the key exchange:
Stephanopoulos: Last night you were on Fox News suggesting the president should come forward with his birth certificate as well --
Bachmann: Well, what I have said about that is, I was asked a question about that and Republicans are constantly asked to vouch for the authenticity of the birth certificate. The only one who can is the clerk of court in the county where someone is born and that’s where people should go. Don’t ask Republicans, go ask the clerk of court.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.abcnews.com ...
“To be a NATURAL BORN citizen both of your parents had to be citizens of the US when you were born.”
The Supreme Court has argued otherwise:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html
Steffy: Well I have the president’s certificate right here. It’s certified, it’s got a certification number. It’s got the registrar of the state signed. It’s got a seal on it. And it says 'this copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.'
As an aspiring politician and prior to going public, she should be prepared on the major issues for Republican voters, one of which is O's lack of qualifications.
She is also a practiced litigator, the first words out of her mouth should have been, "May I see that document?"
One could ask, "If she thinks the economy is the main issue, how can she think it will get better with a Marxist who wishes to "remake America" in the top office?"
Well said. The birth certificate problem is only a symptom of Obama's utter lack of respect for the values America is built on.Fighting the birther issue as the only thing that matters is only treating a symptom (useful if all you want to do is feel good) when a treatable cancer goes unchallenged.
LOL!!!
If I thought about it longer I could probably come up with 20-30 different Liberal stories of the truth.
Most here claim to be pushing for the return to constitutional government. This issue is the most important example of what happens when you ignore the constitution.
And, NO, it does not distract from discussion of other issues which are subjects of hundreds of threads and thousands of comments.
Ignoring this endangers the nation as much or MORE than social issues or financial issues. If you will ignore the constitutional requirements for the presidency just what are you fighting for?
The goal never was to use the BC to nullify Obama as POTUS. The goal is to stop Obama from nullifying the US Constitution..
That is my perception of independents as well. However, You overlook the effect of the drumbeat of illegitimacy. Say something long enough and loud enough and people will come to believe that it is true. (In this case I believe it is.) What people think right now, may not be what they think later. Besides that, as a constitutional issue, how can we let it go? If we won't defend this Constitutional requirement, What Constitutional hill SHOULD we die on? Freedom of Speech? By that time it will be too late.
The issues that concern them are the ecomomy and what Obama has done with wealth redistribution.
If the independents are not fully aware of the disaster that Obama has been to the economy, then there is no hope for them regardless of what other subjects are discussed.
Her comment about the “shot heard around the world” was the first indication that there was a big problem.
Nice straw man but no one is making the fact that he is not a NBC the ONLY issue by a long shot.
The Wong Kim Ark decision was wrongly decided. It's happened before. Remember Dred Scott vs. Sanford?
Possible scenarios:
1. Obama has serious dirt on Bachmann.
2. Bachmann is trying to moderate herself so she looks like a viable presidential candidate.
3. Obama being declared ineligable could lead to a constitutional crisis that would be the deathblow to a country already mired in debt.
I’m looking towards maybe 1 and more likely 3 although 2 wouldn’t be out of the question. Brewer stepped away and so did Bachmann, and they would normally never step away from birtherism.
I personally think him being born in this country isn’t verifiable because Hawaii and other overseas USA territories and states are infamous for fudging COLBs, especially since the Great Society and so far, he hasn’t been exactly honest about his birth certificate.
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Just some thoughts on the Obama birth certificate displayed by Stephanopoulos:
1. Obama's Fight the smears site: I went to Obama's fight the smears site to look at his short form birth certificate where the number is blacked out.
2. I then went to the FactCheck site that Stephanopoulos referred us to, where the number on Obama's short form birth certificate is NOT blacked out. The article is dated 2008.
3. To me, the Obama short form birth certificate that I see on Obama's fight the smears site does not have a visible seal, RAISED or not RAISED, while, the FactCheck birth certificate suddenly has a barely visible RAISED seal. Why does one birth certificate seem to be missing a seal, while another one---supposedly the exact same birth certificate--suddenly has a visible RAISED seal? What is going on?
4. I can't help but find the following funny: Famous tv person Stephanopoulos and other famous tv people have to go to obscure, lowly website FactCheck---Stephanopoulos refers us to the FactCheck article published in 2008, which is about 3 years old---and Obama's own fight the smears site to download a copy of Obama's so-called birth certificate.
5. I find the above information so funny for this reason: Stephanopoulos and his powerful, world-wide ABC network and other world-wide news networks like FoxNews, CNN,CBS, and NBC can't obtain their own copies of Obama's short form birth certificate because Obama won't give it them, even though the one displayed on FactCheck is from 2008, which is about 3 years old.
6. So instead of being able to confront people like Trump with their copy of Obama's short form birth certificate, these powerful, giant world-wide news organizations have to to an obscure, tiny internet website that most people in the world---especially those people who have no access to a computer and the internet--- have never heard of to download a so-called copy of Obama's short form birth certificate that is about 3 years old whenever they need one to hold up to people like Trump and Bachmann.
7. My point is this: I don't understand why in the past 3 years Obama---out of a sense of being courteous---has NEVER sent a copy of his short form birth certificate---one with a raised Hawaii seal---to all the major networks so that they don't have to continually humiliate themselves by having to download one from FactCheck and/or Obama's fight the smears site every time they needed one.
8. I just find this reluctance on the part of the Obama camp to send the major news organizations and tv networks their own Obama short form birth certificate after 3 years have passed very weird behavior.
9. And I bet that the news networks won't get their own copy of Obama's short form birth certificate before election day Nov. 2012 no matter how much or how hard they ask Obama's camp for a copy.
10. If the Obama camp never sends the major news organizations a copy of Obama's short form birth certificate that we see on Obama's fight the smears site, then I can only conclude one thing: The Obama camp does not want major news organizations to get their hands on Obama's short form birth certificate, because the Obama camp fears that the major news organizations will find something wrong with the short form birth certificate that will do serious damage to Obama's presidential campaign.
How do you treat a cancer without excising it? How do you excise it without first establishing that it IS a cancer?
If we keep accepting the notion that Obama is legitimate, and therefore SUPPOSED to be there, how can we complain about the effects of his cancerous acts?
Danae has posted both her short-form COLB and her long-form BC. The short-form COLB is a Certification, not Certificate, and it does say “Date Filed.”
WND wrote an article all about Danae’s documents with images of everything she’s posted here at FR.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=285921
Weak-kneed Republicans NEED NOT APPLY. So disappointed with Bachmann on her performance here. She so easily folded when the paper George was flailing around resolves nothing as far as Obama’s qualifications due to his mother’s age and his father’s citizenship. This is why Trump is STILL IN THE GAME as far as I’m concerned. He does not so easily wilt under such pressure from the leftist media.
Would you believe he's a Muslim Manchurian plant whose mission is to hurt the United States in every way he can?
If you don't think there's enough information, consider some confusing facts:
1. Egypt was priority to replace government but Iran barely had a comment.
2. Libya was priority to replace government but Iran barely had a comment.
Obama's Muslim ties supporting Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Al Qaeda in Libya makes perfect sense. Two more countries to destroy Israel and the evil United States.
If you believe humanitarian efforts in Libya, it makes no sense. Obama is smiling because he is using the US Military to destroy America and >90% of Americans are clueless.
At this point it wouldn’t matter what materialized. It would be suspect, and disregarded. Why keep harping. Just say he’s a fraud, a national embarrassment, and make damn sure he’s out next time around.
Were there also stolen SSNs in that case too?
Imagine a debate between her and Obama
And since I’m always picking on WND for things they get wrong, I will give them some praise for getting that article right.
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