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Pearl Harbor visitors now get Japan and US view
Associated Press ^ | April 30, 2011 | AUDREY McAVOY

Posted on 04/30/2011 12:48:37 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii (AP) -- Political assassinations in Tokyo. Censorship and the stifling of dissent. A nation hungry for oil and other natural resources. Kimono-clad women in department stores and boarding street cars. A smiling Babe Ruth posing for photos with Japanese teenage baseball players while on tour with other American all-stars.

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1 posted on 04/30/2011 12:48:39 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Disgraceful.


2 posted on 04/30/2011 12:52:34 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Persae Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is an insult of the highest order. I don’t give a G-Damn what the F pre-War Japan looked like. There’s an American warship still sitting in the mud of Pearl Harbor with the remains of over 1,400 young Americans who never stopped being nineteen and the ‘’smiling faces of kimono-clad women’’ is the nation that put them there. Screw the ‘’smiling Japanese’’..


3 posted on 04/30/2011 1:10:55 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: CatoRenasci

I agree, this IS disgusting! The Japanese of that time were SAVAGES, there IS NO “other side” to the story of WWII in the Pacific! IT WAS GOOD VERSUS EVIL, and THAT is THAT!!!


4 posted on 04/30/2011 1:11:57 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Can’t wait to see the exhibits in Japan showing other views of the Pacific War. Say a model of Nanking, an exhibit on Unit 731. Or how about the Bataan Death March. The Allied prisoners burned alive?

Hell, I’d settle for an admission of their guilt, and factual history books in their high schools!


5 posted on 04/30/2011 1:12:36 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: jmacusa
I was at the Arizona Memorial in 1992. There were 10 Japanese for every white person. Most were clearly WW2 vets. I saw three of them off in the corner having a laugh with smirks - on the memorial itself. I went over and asked their young guide if they spoke English. She said “No”, I asked if she was sure, she said “Yes” so I said tell them this for me “If they do not wipe that smile off their faces and show some respect for this place I will cut their throats and throw them in the ocean.” Followed with my best Alpha male stare. She hesitated and then I noticed that there were three Marine Gunnery Sargents at my shoulder. She repeated my message (I think) and they could not get their asses onto the next boat fast enough. The oldest Gunny shook my hand and thanked me. Several people came over and told me thanks and I got all “oh shucks” about it. Mrs. Mad says one day my temper will get me hurt. I tell her I just hope it was worth it.
6 posted on 04/30/2011 1:21:24 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I gather our leadership never heard of “The Rape of Nanking.”

The Japanese were egocentric monsters.

There is no “Japanese side” to the outrageous and cowardly sneak attack.


7 posted on 04/30/2011 1:32:27 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We should have stuck with Admiral Halsey’s plan;

“By the time this is over, the Japanese language will only be spoken in Hell!”


8 posted on 04/30/2011 1:40:34 PM PDT by G-Bear (Always leave your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Excellent. I hope to muster as much emotion if I am ever in a similar situation.


9 posted on 04/30/2011 1:44:43 PM PDT by hattend (How much do you have to invest in the future before you've spent it and no longer have one? - Steyn)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I wonder what the history books will ultimately say about World War II, when all is said and done. I suspect there's a lot more to the story than anyone even realizes, and this James Bradley guy seems to have scratched the surface a bit:

Teddy Roosevelt's Secret Deal with Japan: An Interview with James Bradley

10 posted on 04/30/2011 1:48:44 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: PzLdr

I guess these people have never been to the “Peace Museum” in Hiroshima. Their side of the story is that there were some disagreements, a little war broke out, and then America nuked Japan. When they discuss Unit 731 or Nanking (which troops from Hiroshima took part in) they pass them off as allegations that haven’t been proven.


11 posted on 04/30/2011 2:04:59 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is there now a Japanese thinking that they were right then? This just legitimizes that way of thinking and it is alright to rape other lands in search for resources for home.


12 posted on 04/30/2011 2:12:37 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (Hope and change is share the poverty.)
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To: PzLdr

Or a tribute to Harry Truman for ending the war


13 posted on 04/30/2011 2:20:37 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Celebrate 'Civility'")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Superman’s fault.


14 posted on 04/30/2011 2:27:25 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Alberta's Child
Re: T. Roosevelt helping Japan in the Russo-Japanese War: During his war crimes trial, former Japanese Prime Minister Tojo wrote:

Leaving aside the question of whether it is appropriate to discuss the Russo-Japanese War during this trial, it was very much with the help of Britain and the United States that the war was carried out and was successful. At the time, the Japanese people felt grateful to those two nations.

Teddy Roosevelt was an imperialist and warmonger. His attitude was diametrically opposed to that advocated by our Founding Fathers.

15 posted on 04/30/2011 3:00:20 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: depressed in 06
This just legitimizes that way of thinking and it is alright to rape other lands in search for resources for home.

That attitude is not unique to Japan. It's the way many great powers have behaved throughout history. It's the way Red China is behaving now, yet we created that situation by bestowing "most favored nation" status on China and transferring much of our manufacturing there. History is not as simple as some people think, and few nations are either villains or heroes.

16 posted on 04/30/2011 3:07:21 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Free ThinkerNY

My mom was ten years old living at Pearl Harbor during the attack. She got a good view of the Japanese as they strafed her house.


17 posted on 04/30/2011 3:11:11 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: mad_as_he$$

God Bless you for that. I’ll never forget looking in my local paper one day, around the first week of August a few years ago and here was a letter to the editor from some middle-aged peacenik, going on about how terrible it was that the United States dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and how war is just so terrible and the United States is... well, you get the jist. This woman represented some peace group and she put her phone number in the letter. Short of the story is I called her and gave her such a ration of poop she never put her phone number in that paper again. I said to her ‘You’re making common cause with a nation of people who put over a thousand kids into the mud of Pearl Harbor and you’re complaining about Hiroshima?’’ I said “Listen Madame, if Japan had won the bloody war, would you have been happier?’ I said “Are you sorry my country won WW2’’? She said “It’s my country too’’. I said “You could have fooled me’’. Suffice to say she never wrote that stupid paper again.


18 posted on 04/30/2011 3:29:26 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
There is nothing wrong with a U.S. exhibit that shows:

Images of 1930s Japan reflecting: "Political assassinations in Tokyo. Censorship and the stifling of dissent. A nation hungry for oil and other natural resources. Kimono-clad women in department stores and boarding street cars. A smiling Babe Ruth posing for photos with Japanese teenage baseball players while on tour with other American all-stars."...{snip]..."clips from Japanese theater newsreels, including festive scenes of Ruth playing baseball during a tour.

Images of U.S. Japan relations honoring: "a broader, more in-depth view of the Sunday morning attack nearly 70 years ago." after the "passage of time and with " the efforts of Japanese pilots and American survivors" who reached "out to each other and overcome deeply ingrained bitterness.

The problem is not the material or the approach. The problem is it represents a different kind of museum; one that does not belong in a U.S. government museum with a mission to represent the tragedy of the Pearl Harbor attack.

The old museum "was more of a shrine than a place that analyzed a pivotal moment in 20th century history"

And a "shrine" is what a war memorial museum IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

The Marxist/Progressive "historians" from academia HAVE taken over this museum, in a manner like they attempted to do at Ground Zero in New York City.

19 posted on 04/30/2011 3:43:53 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: jmacusa

;-)


20 posted on 04/30/2011 3:47:45 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Free ThinkerNY
In a part of the article that comes from an interview of a surviving former Japanese military pilot:

"Abe told The Associated Press in an interview before his death in 2007 that Japan's aviators took off from their aircraft carriers that morning believing their government had delivered a declaration of war. He said it was dishonorable and went against Japanese traditions of "bushido," or the way of the samurai, to strike before declaring war.

"Even if you are executing an early morning attack, you may not hurt your opponent if he is sleeping. You must make him stand and then go at him with your sword. This is bushido," Abe said in 2006. The assault "violated our nation's ideals. I felt bad," he said.

If you read the above material to someone of the WWII generation from Korea (which had already been made a Japanese colony for nearly 40 years), the Philippines, or many of the other nations and Islands invaded by Japan in WWII, they'd probably, with anger and sadness, laugh their heads off.

21 posted on 04/30/2011 3:53:13 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: CatoRenasci

Not really that disgraceful. Since that attack, we wiped em out, nuked em twice, and have had 65 years of first class friendship. And i’ve seen numerous US veterans interacting with Japanese Aircrews from that day. They seemed to be getting along fine.

As another aside,,, After World War II ended, Fuchida who lead the Japanese planes became a evangelist Christian preacher and frequently traveled to the United States to minister to the Japanese expatriate community. He became a United States citizen in 1966.

If you actually read the article, it doesn’t seem to make any excuses. It is a gallery describing the deterioration of the relations from the Mid-30s on. Newspaper headlines from both countries, etc. Lots of photos of coffins from the attack, burn victims, etc. Sounds like they told the story right IMO.


22 posted on 04/30/2011 5:04:58 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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