Posted on 04/30/2011 8:37:33 PM PDT by Triple
Someone here showed proof that there was a faint image of the “raised” seal on the [green] version of the BC. It just struck me...could the seal image have been on the green background layer, rather than on the form layer? Has anyone done any thinking on this possibility?
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The law that is applicable is at time of birth. Althought the law is different now, Obozo was only born once. So the law that determines his citizenship status is the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952...
He can play all kinds of games to dance around this, but those are the facts. If he was not born in the U.S. with his admitted parents, he is NOT a U.S. Citizen at all, unless he was naturalized. (he was not) He is a Fraud.
I think this stuff, on the tech side, hurts Obama in part because “techies” are part of his natural coalition.
Techies thought Obama was “smart” and Obama doesn't really know beans, and does not know how to hire anyone who can pull off a techie job like this?
I think the TECHNOLOGY GAP, shown by those in the White House is part of what we can use against them!
Native-born citizens are clearly natural-born citizens, but the dominant view of the legal community is that anyone who is a citizen upon birth is a natural-born citizen. Thus the two terms are not equivalent because there are natural-born citizens who are not native born, the obvious example being John S. McCain III, who was born a military base in Panama.
"Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad." -- Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
"The Constitution's rule that the president be 'a natural born citizen' focuses not on where a person became a citizen, but when. To be eligible, one must be born a citizen rather than naturalized at some later date." -- Akhil Reed Amar, "The Constitution and the Candidates" http://slate.com/id/2183588/
Only serves to show how unhinged you, and many Birthers, have become.
I wish to be considered a “Birther” and defend “Birthers” on Liberal blogs. We have a right to ask Obama questions, to ask for documents, and to doubt his slippery and dishonest answers.
Obama became famous, rich, and the PRESIDENT of the United States due to a book written by a terrorist, and due to MYTHICAL BS about his life.
Yes, if you will have me, I defend the idea the Obama has not been honest with us about his past or his heritage.
However, if Obama was born on US Soil? I hold the position that he IS a Natural Born Citizen.
You wish to earn converts to your cause by insulting people who are not with YOU 100%?
How is that working for you?
Have you ever run a political campaign, in your life?
Have you ever won a Court case, in your life?
You don't win votes by kicking people out of your “club”.
You don't win a jury vote by ticking off, offending or ALIENATING the jury.
As LEADERS, you who insist on attacking me, personally, are failures, since nobody is following you.
I agree with you.
What gave you the idea that I don’t agree with you, on this post?
Hypothetical:
Let’s say you are a Founder, and your desire is to protect this country which you love, and which you know will be threatened by subversive forces. You write in the NBC requirement, and in your mind this is to rule out certain non-American, un-American or even anti-American (Manchurian) candidates from winning an election and fundamentally threatening the Republic from within.
Fast forward. Theoretically speaking, posit this scenario. Karl Marx, although already married, makes a legal visit to the US and ‘marries’ a 17 yo black girl [or so we are told; we have not seen the marriage license]. While the child is young, the mother divorces this man, moves to a foreign country and has her son adopted by a foreign national. The parents hate free market capitalism, and indoctrinate their son in the superiority of foreign cultures.
When eventually the son returns, he’s turned over to communists. They rear him with a virulent hatred for whites and traditional American values. When he gets to college he makes no secret of his affiliations: he selects radical Marxists and the most radical of all brands of feminists as friends, since these are the only people he feels comfortable with. Later he writes a book and dedicates it to the dreams he received from his father, Marx. This father supported the taking of 100 % of the citizens’ money by the state, and doling it out as the State sees fit. The son knows this, and writes a paean to his father’s ‘dreams’ because he shares them, and wants the world to know he shares them. He writes a second book in which he unabashedly offers his view of whites: “White men’s greed runs a world in need”.
Now he runs for POTUS. We have come to a time in our nation’s history when asking any kind of question whatsoever of a biracial man is considered racist, so he gets a complete pass during the election. When asked to show his original long form BC, he spits in our faces. (The evil whites have no right to question their biracial Marxist Messiah!) He rules in the kind of luxury and opulence enjoyed by tinpot dictators, and his executive orders further the impression that he’s not a president but a king. He runs the US down all over the world, apologizing for us in humiliating and demeaning ways while praising countries with wretched human rights records. He nationalizes banks, car companies, healthcare, etc. He subverts our interests to those of the UN. He pushes for, and gets, a treaty favorable to Russia and unfavorable to us. He seeks to destroy out military by homosexualizing/sodomizing it. There’s much more, but you get the picture.
Now as a Founder, can you honestly say that this isn’t precisely what you were trying to protect us from, with the NBC requirement? You wanted to assure that a US born and bred person, who knew and respected our culture and traditions, held the highest office in the land. Is not Obama EXACTLY the person the Founders feared, and tried to exclude? He is fast destroying the country they loved and sacrificed for. And it’s not a coincidence. He is not a NBC; he doesn’t understand us yet he hates us rabidly. And if the Constitution had been respected and honored, he would never have attained the sinecure from which to do his filthy work.
The alternative is that as a Founder, you wrote the NBC requirement (1) to insure that future British subjects could not be discriminated against, by being barred from siring US presidents, and (2) so that men like Marx, Mao, Hitler, Stalin—or worse—could spawn a future POTUS, so long as they ‘married’ an underage American girl in order to do so. If you can’t see the cognitive disconnect in that, then there’s nothing more I can say; you just don’t get it.
Posted on 05/01/2010 1:22:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
One of the constitutional requirements for the office of the presidency is that he be a "natural born citizen." This was put into place by the founders to keep foreigners or persons who do not bear a non-questionable allegiance to the US Constitution out. Obviously, and admittedly Barack Hussein Obama was born to a foreign citizen and is not 100% American. He's half-American, half-African and all Marxist. He obviously bears no allegiance whatsoever to the US Constitution and is working overtime to destroy it. He's a usurper and should be removed from office. He is exactly the kind of fraud/usurper the founders feared.
Yes, I did.
And when those same sycophantic drones are shown the proof that Barry Bassturd is still legally Barry Soetoro, Indonesian citizen and not a US citizen, they will again don their kneepads and worship at his ‘cirtizen of the world feet’. America no longer deserves to be a We The People are the sovereigns’ Republic, and it is being taken from them by leaps and bounds, with the pirate Roberts’ subPreme court in duplicitous support.
You lie
Further we have a body of historic articles discussing what Natural Born Citizen meant in reference to the Presidential requirement, these either reference the status as requiring either paternal allegiance or the allegiance of both parents. You can find those on your own if you are the knowledgeable scholar you'd claim to be.
Ever get that “Deer in the Headlight” (Pun intended) look from a liberal during an argument?
Libs don't get challenged, in the Media.
We challenge each other, and we get challenged by the Media and by liberals.
There are many good people on our side who just don't have all the facts, or all the arguments, to fight well.
Many who disagree with me, on this thread, do have some valid points, but I still disagree with them.
I think you are a bit presumptuous to post a JimRob link, as nothing I have posted, here, in any way works to undermine basic, conservative thought, policy or teaching.
This matter is unresolved, even in Conservative ranks.
I also believe that Congress can enact laws as to who is and who is not a citizen.
Regardless of what anyone wrote, years ago, the current legal climate seems to hold that “Natural Born Citizen” means Citizen at birth.
There are as many quotes and writings, from our founders, that agree with me, as you can find that agree with you.
I don't particularly like it.
I do believe that Obama is our first Anti-American President.
However, the ends do not justify the means, and I do not think we will get anywhere trying to remove Obama due to his father's loyalties.
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