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Is The End Nigh? We'll Know Soon Enough (World to end May 21)
NPR ^ | May 7, 2011 | Barbara Bradley Hagerty

Posted on 05/07/2011 9:27:55 PM PDT by tlb

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To: tlb

dammit, I’ve got something going on that weekend, can’t he push it out a few days?


21 posted on 05/07/2011 10:02:41 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: svcw
So you mock God and want Him to answer you? You mock Him saying He doesn't exists. What a strange little man you are. For a person who doesn't believe in Him, you certainly spent a lot of time focused on Him.

He's not mocking God. He's mocking you.

22 posted on 05/07/2011 10:05:00 PM PDT by Misterioso (A liberal is a communist, but too stupid to realize it.)
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To: Quix
I've met Mr. Camping on many occasions. A tall, gaunt, and austere gentleman, he. He comes across as a serious man but has a habit making such foolish predictions, as he did with his book, 1994?.

FWIW Family Stations does some quality broadcast work and has been my companion during some of the darkest and loneliest periods of my life. It's a rare example of relative purity in a world filled with lasciviousness and scorn.

But the end-of-the-world stuff... it's undermining an otherwise doctrinally-solid effort to get the Gospel out.

Mr. Camping, in my humble opinion, is a living reason why ministers and other teachers should study in seminary and stand on knowledge. The Bible is not a book that, in it's entirety, any single human being can claim to comprehend - especially in the area of eschatology! Otherwise, you get this...

23 posted on 05/07/2011 10:08:04 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: MissMack99
There are certain cults and religious organizations that have been predicting the end of times on specific dates since history was first recorded.

What I find particularly interesting are those who come back to the faith or philosophy the day after the world did not end.

24 posted on 05/07/2011 10:09:52 PM PDT by mmercier (been going on for a long time)
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To: tlb

Camping is a false teacher and false prophet. He has already “predicted” the exact date of the end of the world—September 6, 1994.

Anyone who believes him is a fool.

Camping should repent, but since he has not done so since 1994 (as evidenced by his decision to propose a new date), it is unlikely that he will.


25 posted on 05/07/2011 10:10:02 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: I still care

“This is terrible.”

And this is a woman who was going to be a doctor, so she’s not dumb.


26 posted on 05/07/2011 10:10:22 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Lexinom

I’ve met Mr. Camping on many occasions. A tall, gaunt, and austere gentleman, he. He comes across as a serious man but has a habit making such foolish predictions, as he did with his book, 1994?.

FWIW Family Stations does some quality broadcast work and has been my companion during some of the darkest and loneliest periods of my life. It’s a rare example of relative purity in a world filled with lasciviousness and scorn.


I agree with you entirely. The network ministered to me a lot when I lived in San Diego.

I always thought it was quite cheeky of him to have AoG folks on his board and to get tons of money from them only to castigate them relentlessly for their theology being more or less from hell in his perspective.

I always thought


27 posted on 05/07/2011 10:11:35 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Lexinom

I’ve met Mr. Camping on many occasions. A tall, gaunt, and austere gentleman, he. He comes across as a serious man but has a habit making such foolish predictions, as he did with his book, 1994?.

FWIW Family Stations does some quality broadcast work and has been my companion during some of the darkest and loneliest periods of my life. It’s a rare example of relative purity in a world filled with lasciviousness and scorn.


Except that I believe laymen can study with Holy Spirit’s aid and come up with insights and Biblical truths Semitary scholars and students miss.


28 posted on 05/07/2011 10:12:33 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Immerito

06SEP94...

I remember that one.

Was at work, the world was supposed to end at noon that day.

I remembered it about a week later.


29 posted on 05/07/2011 10:15:27 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: tlb
Anyone who believes such nonsense should be locked away from normal people.
30 posted on 05/07/2011 10:16:36 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Immerito

06SEP94...

I remember that one.

Was at work, the world was supposed to end at noon that day.

I remembered it about a week later.


31 posted on 05/07/2011 10:18:34 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: tlb

Bummer! This ruins my vacation plans.


32 posted on 05/07/2011 10:19:24 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: mmercier

Sorry for the double post, got interrupted by a hunk of meatball stuck to my butt.

The pups like to bury things in the bed.

It is unsanitary, in the extreme.


33 posted on 05/07/2011 10:22:39 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: Two Kids' Dad
So if God determined before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved, does that mean that a lot of people are doomed and whether they’re good people or evil bastards they’re still not gonna be raptured? Sounds like a pretty crappy system to me.

The mystery can only be understood with the realization that God invented time and exists outside the boundaries of time. It is how free will and predestination can co-exist for if there is no free will, there could be no just punishment for unbelief. And if there was no predestination, no one could be considered God's chosen.

God knows the results before they happen because he exists beyond time.

That "crappy system" as you call it is how man can choose salvation or choose to reject it and yet God can already direct the outcome.

34 posted on 05/07/2011 10:23:07 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
So if God determined before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved

Well, I'm no theologian, nor am I a religious person, but given the concept of free will, I think it would be more accurate to say that God knew before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved. Think of the sorrow that would bring Him.
35 posted on 05/07/2011 10:24:07 PM PDT by andyk (Wealth != Income)
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To: Quix
I don't disagree with that and should have qualified what I said with understanding en toto. What irks me the most is precisely what's under discussion, and that's eschatology. It irks me because it baffled great men of God after the NT period - men like Augustine, who to this day is "fought over" by various camps. There's no Augustine, Acquinus, Luther, Calvin, Wesley in our day - not even close, because we no longer thing upon deep things because we're too busy being entertained. Therefore, so anyone talking about this is rightly subject to great suspicion as to their motives.

AoG - Assembly of God? My in-laws are AoG - conservative, homeschooling, working-class rural people. Very godly people. We get along well and I love them dearly though we don't agree on everything. AoG are pretty broad in their beliefs if I'm not mistaken.

As far as Camping castigating them, that may be a part of his appeal with them, oddly enough, as he clearly sees himself as a John the Baptist figurehead.

36 posted on 05/07/2011 10:25:01 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: tlb
Jesus said Himself that He will come like a thief in the night.

The point is that nobody will know when; the important thing is to be faithful at all times.

I'm a little bothered by these statements; the key is to be vigilant at all times. Of course it is their right to do so.

37 posted on 05/07/2011 10:33:08 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: Lexinom

I think AoG—as I was reared . . .

are typically quite broadly generous, kind, inclusive of a wide diversity of people—come as you are . . . mostly at least the better ones . . . strongly supportive of the family, Biblical inerrancy, basic doctrines of the faith; Acts 2; I Cor 12-14 etc.

They can be fairly narrow and rigid on their view of their distinctives—speaking in tongues being—at least used to be—THE test of “being Spirit filled.” That’s the one main one I disagreed with.

Yet, they do suffer a fairly diverse range of teachings as long as their ministers support the basic doctrines of Christianity and are NOT cessationists . . . and PREACH SCRIPTURE STRAIGHTFORWARDLY.

They are not—or were not when I was in them—overly rigid about the Rapture. And a lot of other things they may believe but hold loosely and are not dogmatic about.

There is a lot of encouraging individuals to go to The Bible and study for themselves vs just taking what the preacher says.

I like that.


38 posted on 05/07/2011 10:36:08 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

You made me curious, so I started looking into it. I guess some Christians believe that God knows everything, and some don’t. One of the arguments for those who don’t insist that God must know everything is a quote from Genesis where God claims to be sorry to have made man (Genesis 6:5-7). It’s a compelling argument. Anyway it is interesting to me, but I’m a conflicted soul :)


39 posted on 05/07/2011 10:36:27 PM PDT by andyk (Wealth != Income)
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To: tlb

Mat 24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that
man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


40 posted on 05/07/2011 10:43:08 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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